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You've had it explained to you many times, Jimmie. You just prefer the penal sun=bstuituton interpretation as if God was ever angry with us for ANY reason. God became ONE of us so He could achieve the perfection as one of us that we cannot achieve. He automatically connected all humans with God by becoming human. That was the "Good tidings of great joy to all people" that was announced at His birth.
Any and all removal from God's presence was eliminated by His birth. His perfection covers our imperfections making our sins less problematic but they still matter if we want to avoid refinement. You know, the warnings you interpret as threats of eternal hell and damnation from your wrathful and vengeful God, Jimmie.
Penal substitution is the gospel of Jesus Christ through which a man can alone be saved.
Penal substitution is the gospel of Jesus Christ through which a man can alone be saved.
I challenge you to find anything in the Bible relating to penal substitution. You can't do it. That doctrine simply did not exist until the Protestants introduced it as part of the Reformation. Early Christianity put the emphasis on humanity as being wounded and in need of healing. You put the emphasis on humanity as being wicked and in need of punishment. We are not so much saved from sin as we are healed from woundedness.
I challenge you to find anything in the Bible relating to penal substitution. You can't do it. That doctrine simply did not exist until the Protestants introduced it as part of the Reformation. Early Christianity put the emphasis on humanity as being wounded and in need of healing. You put the emphasis on humanity as being wicked and in need of punishment. We are not so much saved from sin as we are healed from woundedness.
I challenge you to find anything in the Bible relating to penal substitution. You can't do it. That doctrine simply did not exist until the Protestants introduced it as part of the Reformation. Early Christianity put the emphasis on humanity as being wounded and in need of healing. You put the emphasis on humanity as being wicked and in need of punishment. We are not so much saved from sin as we are healed from woundedness.
Romans 3:25-26, 1 Corinthians 15:1-4, and John 3:16.
Last edited by justbyfaith; 05-13-2022 at 11:48 PM..
Romans 3:25-26, 1 Corinthians 15:1-4, and John 3:16.
Sorry, but I don't see any of those as teaching penal substitution. I just didn't get that God's wrath must somehow be appeased. I see them as teaching radical healing. We evidently just read them differently.
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