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sin is eternal regargless if the being that committed it is finite.
If someone committed an offense against you it will remain with you till the day you die. If you lived forever then it will always remain with you.
If God is eternal then all the sins of the world, past, present and future will remain with God. How can a finite being be enough to forgive all the eternal sin "vomit" (God's words)?
Wouldn't eternal sin offend an infinite God eternally which is why Hell is an eternal punishment because that sin will have to be punished eternally because God is a just God.
I've studied with Witnesses for several years, but I'm not baptised. I've also studied the doctrines of other faiths and philosphies if that makes any difference.
Can you point me to a scripture to show me where it talks about sin remaining with you for ever...and the finite being not being enough to forgive all sins?
Ok...your last sentence is not making sense to me. God is offended by eternal sin so eternal sin has to go to hell because God is just God???
Im not trying to make an argument for or against I believe what I believe..but i have to ask..
Genesis 1-26
26 Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, [b] and over all the creatures that move along the ground.
who is the "our" referring to?
The "us" is the Trinity, God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. In Matthew 3:17 you see all three persons of the Trinity are present and active, God the Father speaks, God the Son is baptized, God the Holy Spirit descends on Jesus, God is one, yet in three persons at the same time.
I've studied with Witnesses for several years, but I'm not baptised. I've also studied the doctrines of other faiths and philosphies if that makes any difference.
Can you point me to a scripture to show me where it talks about sin remaining with you for ever...and the finite being not being enough to forgive all sins?
Ok...your last sentence is not making sense to me. God is offended by eternal sin so eternal sin has to go to hell because God is just God???
This is systematic theology. Same way you Jdubs can't find a verse saying, Jesus is not God, yet in many verses Jesus allows people to worship Him. He never tried to stop them. Why?
The "us" is the Trinity, God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. In Matthew 3:17 you see all three persons of the Trinity are present and active, God the Father speaks, God the Son is baptized, God the Holy Spirit descends on Jesus, God is one, yet in three persons at the same time.
So when trinity believers pray, to whom do they pray? I've heard many prayers that begin, "Dear Jesus"...what about the other two Gods?
The "us" is the Trinity, God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. In Matthew 3:17 you see all three persons of the Trinity are present and active, God the Father speaks, God the Son is baptized, God the Holy Spirit descends on Jesus, God is one, yet in three persons at the same time.
Good explanation and example ILNC. The trinity is so misunderstood but it's really not complicated. It's made clear enough for us to know not to question it in this life because we won't ever fully understand it anyway until we see God. What a wonderfull day that will be!
The "us" is the Trinity, God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. In Matthew 3:17 you see all three persons of the Trinity are present and active, God the Father speaks, God the Son is baptized, God the Holy Spirit descends on Jesus, God is one, yet in three persons at the same time.
So where is the difference to those that follow the same path? Are we not all given the promise of being ONE? IF!
Good explanation and example ILNC. The trinity is so misunderstood but it's really not complicated. It's made clear enough for us to know not to question it in this life because we won't ever fully understand it anyway until we see God. What a wonderfull day that will be!
We must understand before we are able to see God.
Salvation is no guarantee of seeing the Father.
Many of the saved will be told, be gone from me, ye that worketh iniquity, i never knew you.
The are not evaporated, they inherit life eternal, as well they are given a much lower estate.
I've studied with Witnesses for several years, but I'm not baptised. I've also studied the doctrines of other faiths and philosphies if that makes any difference.
Can you point me to a scripture to show me where it talks about sin remaining with you for ever...and the finite being not being enough to forgive all sins?
Psalm 103:11 For as the heaven is high above the earth, so great is his mercy toward them that fear him. :12 As far as the east is from the west, so far hath he removed our transgressions from us.
This is systematic theology. Same way you Jdubs can't find a verse saying, Jesus is not God, yet in many verses Jesus allows people to worship Him. He never tried to stop them. Why?
I have found many "JDubs" and nonJDub's who just can't seem to rectify the trinity according to the scripture. If you notice not everyone on here who has ever disputed the trinity is a JDub or uses the same translation. It's easy to pinpoint JDubs on this because they are unified in their belief. So, it's not just a JDub thing.
I think the doctrine of the trinity causes disharmony and confusion. How do the following scriptures make any sense:
Matt 3:17
John 8:42
John 14:28-for the father is greater than I
John 20:17- Jesus said, "Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet returned to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, 'I am returning to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.' "-;
1 Corinthians 11:3
1 Corinthians 15:28
Systematical theology seems to be in favor of their being a hierarchy with the father as God, Jesus is his son, and the holy spirit is God's power.
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