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rifleman, I assume, is a scientist? A complete non believer? What is there to lose if you allow a little faith in your life?
Ahhh, the idea that one has no faith or spiritual being if one doesn't have "The Approved Faith". I am not an unpleasant person doomed to live an empty, joyless non- spirutal life. I feel very spiritual when I'm out in the wilderness, truly at one with the rest of the evolved beasties and plants.
I know from whence I arose, and where I'll be going when "the light burns out". The only way I 'll have to pass on my sprituality is through my offspring, with whom I've worked hard to imbue my sense of wonder in the natural world. I've also tried to give them that invaluable sense of inquisitive wonder, to continue to seek the answers to questions that come up. Certainly I've warned them to avoid assuming that others' values and beliefs are absolutes to be followed. Martin Luther would have been proud!
So far, my children, in their twenties, seem happy with that approach to life. But then they weren't burdened with pre-conceived notions that needed to be overcome like walls of a prison before they could freely explore. Unlike me, they weren't forced to go to Sunday school.
It's very liberating to feel completely guilt-free to openly question anything, and then to come to the conclusions that, as in a good science experiment, fit the observed results that we see all around us.
Have a good night! And best wishes to the LHC, boson strangelets and all!
I would assume that most fundies are against it out of ignorance. It sounds scary"
Far from it. It won't work and it won't tell us anything other than the fact that big 12 billion dollar turbine machines weren't around during the "big bang". Something came from nothing.
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Far from it. It won't work and it won't tell us anything other than the fact that big 12 billion dollar turbine machines weren't around during the big bank. Something came from nothing.
And what evidence do you have to support this claim?
And what evidence do you have to support this claim?
Something...came from nothing. Something came from nothing.....something came from nothing.
There were no machines billions of years ago, there was nothing, no matter, no light, no darkness, not even gas let alone a particle collider to create life.
Something...came from nothing. Something came from nothing.....something came from nothing.
There were no machines billions of years ago, there was nothing, no matter, no light, no darkness, not even gas let alone a particle collider to create life.
And this proves that the LHC won't do anything useful? Does.. not.. follow..
To say that is just begging the question. Come on, Logic 101.
Something...came from nothing. Something came from nothing.....something came from nothing.
There were no machines billions of years ago, there was nothing, no matter, no light, no darkness, not even gas let alone a particle collider to create life.
Ya know, that's interesting. I guess, technically, it will actually confirm Intelligent Design is necessary for life, eh?
Fancofu: you're getting all worked up over, well, nothing. You should recognize "baiting" when you see it. Since we Christians believe in the power of prayer, you can bet that countless tens of thousands of us are praying, hopefully, that the LHC will fail in, well, whatever it's supposed to do. And when I see the posts here, I have to occasionally distance myself from these guys. Boy are they ever narrow-minded. Of course they don't know what its objectives are. That would require some objective reading.
Fellow Christians: if you ever hope to convince folks of our side of the argument, I think you should be a) more civil, and b) more logical. (Even if the other side gets a bit testy, don't we always preach tolerance, and our quiet correctness and patience?). I just read a post by rifleman that I thought was real good, though a sad commentary on us. It's over on the Evolution thread. I see that he's given up trying in the face of what appears to be boneheaded-ness on our part. Too bad.
If we just want to chase all the debaters aaway, this is the way to do it. I agree that he'll probably never see us give in, even just a bit, in the face of an interesting question. His "anon" quote seems to be a little too true.
Well, "war on", folks! And to you evolutionists and scientists, my apologies for our childish behavior.
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