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Seems that some Christians and Christian blog sites are happy that the "Large Hadron Collider" in France "broke down" in its first week of operation. Shouldn't they want to see some results from the global scientific community's, what was it, $12 billion investment? It's only looking to confirm the hypothesis of some new particle types. What's the problem?
Sorry: forgot to post one of the best sites where I read about this project. Also some real special pictures! It's amazing, and I think it should be seen by everyone as a tribute to where man's eternal curiosity has taken us!
Well, I'm not sure what you mean, freedom... "Scientific pursuits based on origins..." Do you mean investigations that look into the origins of things? I'm not sure what "origins" mean either. I haven't seen any good evidence or even statements from scientists that say they know where we came from. But maybe they think they know, right? I don't expect those pursuits to create spritual results, but possibly they might shed some light on what happened last week, last year, or 6000 years ago.
Arent' we supposed to believe that it all started, what was it, exactly 6012, plus 6 days, ago? Probably so (I'm a sort of curious Christian...) but...? Anyhow, the LHC is looking at things that might have happened if some other things happened, right? And they say they are going to simulate what those other things were.
If they are all wrong, but still, if they find some "Boson particles" or "Strangelets", then what? What if that fabulous equipment in the pictures finds something that needs explanation? Then what?
I'd like to know. Do you want to know? From what I've read here since I joined a couple of days ago, I don't know if some folks want to know.
Well, I'm not sure what you mean, freedom... "Scientific pursuits based on origins..." Do you mean investigations that look into the origins of things? I'm not sure what "origins" mean either. I haven't seen any good evidence or even statements from scientists that say they know where we came from. But maybe they think they know, right? I don't expect those pursuits to create spritual results, but possibly they might shed some light on what happened last week, last year, or 6000 years ago.
Arent' we supposed to believe that it all started, what was it, exactly 6012, plus 6 days, ago? Probably so (I'm a sort of curious Christian...) but...? Anyhow, the LHC is looking at things that might have happened if some other things happened, right? And they say they are going to simulate what those other things were.
If they are all wrong, but still, if they find some "Boson particles" or "Strangelets", then what? What if that fabulous equipment in the pictures finds something that needs explanation? Then what?
I'd like to know. Do you want to know? From what I've read here since I joined a couple of days ago, I don't know if some folks want to know.
Why not?
I'd rather pursue becoming one with the light, that i might know all things, than pursue mechanical means to learn a portion of things.
The Holy Spirit leads into All truth, man leads into partial truths.
But as you say, people have the freedom to pursue and spend where they like. I'm just giving you my opinion of scientific pursuits.
Scientific pursuits based on origins don't bring about spiritual results. Waste of time, energy and priority.
Freedom, just how do we distinquish, at the outset, what a true scientific pursuit's intents are? Remember my post about what the scientific principle is? Ask Mother Nature simple unbiased questions, one at a time. Then see if the accurately observed answers fit with your hypothesis or fit the "Null Hypothesis" (i.e.: the opposite or different possibility) better? Then perhaps you go out and redo or refine or repose the experiment's questions to get a more reliable or more accurate answer. Nobody pulls conclusions out of the air, as has been so often postulated.
Never stop asking. Unless we should all just sit around and never question anything that someone else has told us is "The truth" (like our local priest). We inquisitive humans will always check things out for ourselves. As in the Large Hadron Collider. Otherwise, in the relentless spirit of "mindless unquestioning acceptance", some would still have us believing in a flat earth as the unmoving center of the universe.
Of course, we'd all be very spiritual about it.... And deathly afraid to sail too far in one direction.
PS: Thotful1: good to see you're a skeptical Christian. As a lifestyle choice Christianity certainly has it's place as an ethical guide, but probably not as an effective means to unbiased exploration of uncharted waters or (so far) unanswered questions. Why? Because independant skeptical thought that potentially runs amok of the book isn't encouraged.
It's obvious to scientists why the LHC bothers demagog fundamentalists so much. Read their comments at the link you posted.
[quote=freedom;5482145] I'd rather pursue becoming one with the light, that i might know all things, than pursue mechanical means to learn a portion of things. [quote]
You may well be right. Of course it's fun to watch experiments, and sometimes scientists do come up with some useful stuff. Like this computer. Maybe the Hadon thing will make these even faster. I know mine can be unpleasantly slow some times!
rifleman, I assume, is a scientist? A complete non believer? What is there to lose if you allow a little faith in your life? Maybe freedom can answer. don't want to keep everyone up all night....
I would assume that most fundies are against it out of ignorance. It sounds scary; they probably think it will destroy the universe. Some may be scared to lose their authority in their church. This may bring about the discovery of something that could lead to the discovery of something else that could lead to the answers of some great questions. Some of these answers could potentially destroy the foundations of organized religion.
A lot of people don't understand that most of the things we use (TV, microwave, radio, etc.) can about unexpectedly from some other form of research. No one was trying to make a TV, they were exploring photoconductivity and from it came the idea of the television.
p.s. It's not going to destroy the world.
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to sail too far in one direction.
As a lifestyle choice Christianity certainly has it's place as an ethical guide, but probably not as an effective means to unbiased exploration of uncharted waters or (so far) unanswered questions. Why? Because independant skeptical thought that potentially runs amok of the book isn't encouraged.
You may be right!
