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Old 11-18-2008, 02:34 PM
 
Location: Pilot Point, TX
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No offense. I have been called much worse.
And they're not judged by our standards either.
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Old 11-18-2008, 03:09 PM
 
Location: All around the world.....
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So if I as a Christian had a huge argument with my wife, said something I shouldn't have even cursed at her, thrown in a God's name in vain (blasphemy) in anger and the left the house still smoking from the argument ran through a stop sign and got broad sided by a semi killing me instantly.

Will I still go to heaven?

I have no idea
This question you will have to examine for yourself
Will you?
God Bless you
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Old 11-18-2008, 05:46 PM
 
Location: arizona ... most of the time
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Judas was predestined to commit that sin..He had no choice in the matter (IMO) He also died before Christ died for our sins..(IMO) he may have gone to paradise where the ones who died before Christs sacrifice for our sins were held captive ..There they waited to be led out of the captivity of sin..awaiting the sacrifice of Gods Son to give them forgiveness

One more IMO. Paradise ceased to exist after Christ led the captives from there.
That is impossible, for God does not predestine anyone to sin or to hell.
The only reason for predestination by God is for salvation. No other verse speaks of predestination for hell or sin.

Ephesians 1:11-12
"In him we were also chosen, having been predestined according to the plan of him who works out everything in conformity with the purpose of his will, 12 in order that we, who were the first to hope in Christ, might be for the praise of his glory."

Ephesians 1:5
he predestined us to be adopted as his sons through Jesus Christ, in accordance with his pleasure and will

Romans 8:30
And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified.

Romans 8:29
For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the likeness of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers



You have too many IMO's that are not scriptual, but that's for other threads

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Old 11-18-2008, 06:18 PM
 
Location: God's Country
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Judas was never a "Christian" to begin with. He went to hell because he never repented and put His trust in Christ.
True.
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Old 11-19-2008, 09:40 AM
 
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Judas was predestined to commit that sin..He had no choice in the matter (IMO) He also died before Christ died for our sins..(IMO) he may have gone to paradise where the ones who died before Christs sacrifice for our sins were held captive ..There they waited to be led out of the captivity of sin..awaiting the sacrifice of Gods Son to give them forgiveness

One more IMO. Paradise ceased to exist after Christ led the captives from there.
Good post.
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Old 11-19-2008, 07:43 PM
 
Location: arizona ... most of the time
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Judas was never a "Christian" to begin with. He went to hell because he never repented and put His trust in Christ.
Is that based on scripture that he was 'never' a believer or on human reason?
Based on scripture I would argue that he was at one time:

Matthew 10:1
[ Jesus Sends Out the Twelve ] He called his twelve disciples to him and gave them authority to drive out evil spirits and to heal every disease and sickness

1. Judas was one of his 12 at this point given power to drive out demons, Paul was later.
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Matthew 12:25
Jesus knew their thoughts and said to them, "Every kingdom divided against itself will be ruined, and every city or household divided against itself will not stand.

2. An unbeliever is on the side of the Devil not Jesus. Therefore an unbeliever could\would not drive out demons.

Conclusion: For Jesus to be correct (Matthew 12:25) Judas believed in Jesus at this point, or Jesus is incorrect.
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Old 11-19-2008, 07:50 PM
 
Location: Texas
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So if I as a Christian had a huge argument with my wife, said something I shouldn't have even cursed at her, thrown in a God's name in vain (blasphemy) in anger and the left the house still smoking from the argument ran through a stop sign and got broad sided by a semi killing me instantly.

Will I still go to heaven?
Heaven is not a 'place' where we 'go'. It's a 'state' which we 'become'.

I am already passed from death unto life. I am already seated in heavenly places in Christ Jesus.

Do you think if you do something stupid and then a giant rock accidentally falls down and kills you before you can say "sorry" then your Father is going to throw you, His beloved son, into an eternity of torment?

If so...wow. How shallow can it get???
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Old 11-19-2008, 07:59 PM
 
Location: NC
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Amen. God bless.
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