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In fact, there is very little reason to believe he did for many reasons I have posted elsewhere.
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#2 What works would THE AUTHOR be talking about? Are you ASSUMING he means "sin" but if you read the verse doesn't seem to be so. More like "religous works. The author is saying "religous works are dead". Hello? No man is justified by the law. So YOU are saying the author of Hebrews puts "sinful acts" and acts of born again believers in the same sentence?
I think you need to reread the scriptures I posted above.
I don't see Jesus telling anyone to "repent" in what you posted.
I do see him saying it here:
Mar 1:15 “The time has come,” he said. “The kingdom of God is near. Repent and believe the good news!”
What? Why didn't he say "stop sinning"
Repent doesn't mean, "stop sinning".
In fact, the word for repent is simply: metanoeō
All it means is to change your mind. It doesn't inflect ANYTHING about sin in that passage.
The deeper import of the use of "change your mind" should be obvious today once we understand that it is the "state of mind" that we have which produces sin.
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Again, the word repent is metanoeō. (G3326 for the curious.)
1) to change one's mind, i.e. to repent
2) to change one's mind for better, heartily to amend with abhorrence of one's past sins
Hmm, so what would they be repenting of?
One little nitpick, JV . . . You cited only one of the root words of which there are two . . . G3326 and G3539 . . . it is actually G3340. The point that it seems almost impossible to make to these legalists about biblical guidance is that it is our "spiritual" (i.e., "in the mind") development that matters.
I agree with your interpretation of these verses based on believers walking.
As for a Born of God person, one like John, Mary, Stephen, James, Matthew, Luke, and anyother.etc... i'd have to say that if they sinned after receiving the fullness of the spirit. Then it would be devastating, possibly blasphemy against the holy spirit, which we all know is not forgivable, in this life or in the world to come.
I wonder if this is what HK is speaking of?
godspeed,
freedom
Yes, that is what the Scriptures say - it is the same as "receiving the the knowledge of the truth" on Heb 10:26
Hebrews 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
The Greek word for knowledge is not just "gnosis" (knowledge) but "epignosis" which means a full and complete knowledge.
epignōsis From G1921; recognition, that is, (by implication) full discernment, acknowledgement: - (ac-) knowledge (-ing, -ment).
And the word received does not just mean that they heard but that they heard and accepted the full knowledge.
Obviously the new believers who are spiritual babes have not received a full knowledge of the truth - nor could they possibly be born of God if they have never learned what true repentance involves.
As you can see in these threads there are many who fight hard against the necessity of ceasing from sin to have eternal life and few who resist them.
That is just what one could expect to see when we apply Jesus' words....
The way is narrow that leads to life and FEW there be that find it - many are called but FEW are chosen...
I understand and I agree with you that they have a harsher, one-sided tone but when understood rightly one can see that they are no different than people in here who are on the other side of the spectrum. They do not get as much the hassle as these folks. Granted I know they create threads so they bring it on themselves but the attitude towards them in my opinion is not justified because there are plenty of people in this room that are not balanced in their teaching.
It seems to me that all through history those who say "repent" are always attacked by people who have not.
I say - if you cant stand the heat get out of the forum...
In that same vein - God said to Ezekiel:
Eze 3:7 But the house of Israel (and city-data/Christianity) will not hearken unto thee; for they will not hearken unto me: for all the house of Israel are impudent and hardhearted.
Eze 3:8 Behold, I have made thy face strong against their faces, and thy forehead strong against their foreheads.
Eze 3:9 As an adamant harder than flint have I made thy forehead: fear them not, neither be dismayed at their looks, though they be a rebellious house.
Eze 3:21 Nevertheless if thou warn the righteous man, that the righteous sin not, and he doth not sin, he shall surely live, because he is warned;
If I ever have said more about ceasing from sin than Ezekiel said - I would be wrong - have I said anything different?
The way is narrow that leads to life and FEW there be that find it - many are called but FEW are chosen...HK
The parable of Matt 22:14 has a context, Harold and it isn't the one you are using to interpret "chosen" . . . we are the "choosers" who ultimately decide who are available to become those who are "chosen"(elect) . . . you can't be elected if you don't run.
In this parable, everyone was invited to the wedding, but the invitation went out in two waves. The respectable people were invited first, but they did not heed the invitation or they only pretended to accept. They lied, they pretended, but the result is that they didn’t show up.
In the end, everyone had been invited, but only a few were permitted to stay for the wedding. In other words, everyone is called, but some people refuse the invitation and are not chosen.(elected) G1588 (elect)
As you can see in these threads there are many who fight hard against the necessity of ceasing from sin to have eternal life and few who resist them.
Oh no Harry, you got it all wrong! We do NOT fight the need for ceasing from sin. Not at all! It's a requirement. Period.
What we disagree on, is how we get "sin free". I'm not relying on my own works. You are.
Good luck with that.
P.S. Do you speak greek or are you just carelessly tossing around the Strongs like you cherry pick verses? If you do speak Greek, lets have a chat - I do.
If i may address the difference i am seeing on this thread.
HK is speaking of Beleivers whose walk has reached a point of discipline (Discipleship) that brings them to being Born of God.
He is not speaking of self professed Born agains that have been mislead in what the true state of one that is Born of God.
If you take all the scriptures that describe someone that is Born of God. I think it will clear up the confusion and misunderstanding.
Simply said, not all believers are at the same level. Not all that say Lord Lord are received into the kingdom of God. They will inherit a lower kingdom, or one that is according to their belief.
One that is Born of God, is someone that has been Filled with the Holy Spirit, one that can do the things that Jesus does and more. One that walks without falling into temptation, i think if you look at the verses in the context of not all those that say they are Born of God, really are Born of God then some of this disagreement may turn to awareness.
godspeed,
freedom
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