Just because God says He will save all mankind (1 Tim.2:4-6) (Mormons, punishment)
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1 Timothy 2:4-6 says nothing of the kind. There are, however, many passages throughout scripture that clearly say that God will save 'all' ... WHO come to Him by faith in Jesus Christ. -- "Truth does not come from selecting isolated passages out of context, but, from "building precept upon precept."
God actually will save all He draws to Himself and giving them faith in Christ Jesus. Since it is all by unearned grace (so that no one can boast in His sight) that the believer is saved, why can't God save the rest later as He says He will? He will.
God actually will save all He draws to Himself and giving them faith in Christ Jesus. Since it is all by unearned grace (so that no one can boast in His sight) that the believer is saved, why can't God save the rest later as He says He will? He will.
He doesn't say He will. You are extrapolating what you have read. The Bible tells you what's coming, and you ignore it.
First you have to understand who the "all people" is referring to because it's not referring to "all people" aka everybody on the planet, but "all people" that are God's chosen that choose to repent. the rest of mankind will either burn in Hell or be subject to Captivity by God's Chosen Elect people because the majority of mankind is wicked Pagans and totally against GOD. So no, "Everybody" can't be saved.
People take the Bible out of context all the time.
Because humans being the creatures they are cannot abide the thought that they who toil in the fields all day long would be treated the same as one who played all day long and joined at the last minute. It is the human concern for human justice. It is why the good son was so resentful of the prodigal son. Humans can't understand that God is no respecter of persons, loves ALL of His children and wants ALL of His children with Him after all the dross is refined out.
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Originally Posted by jghorton
1 Timothy 2:4-6 says nothing of the kind. There are, however, many passages throughout scripture that clearly say that God will save 'all' ... WHO come to Him by faith in Jesus Christ. -- "Truth does not come from selecting isolated passages out of context, but, from "building precept upon precept."
You make no sense. WE do not have anything to do with coming to Christ. God calls us when He decides. Since He will have ALL to be saved . . . it stands to reason that He eventually calls everyone. Your desire to think you are somehow special in God's eyes because you follow Christ (despite the fact that you had nothing to do with it) . . . just emphasizes the silliness in your view. We actually only have two choices: 1.) We can try to do as Jesus instructed and "love God and each other" daily and repent when we don't to minimize the amount of dross in our lives . . . or 2.)We can "wing it" and have the dross refined out (very unpleasantly) after our death.
How do you folks that claim "all" doesn't mean ALL explain away this one?
For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.
I guess "specially" doesn't mean what it says either for this proclaims God will save "ALL" men --both the unsaved AND the saved. Have fun rewriting scripture with this one.
First you have to understand who the "all people" is referring to because it's not referring to "all people" aka everybody on the planet, but "all people" that are God's chosen that choose to repent. the rest of mankind will either burn in Hell or be subject to Captivity by God's Chosen Elect people because the majority of mankind is wicked Pagans and totally against GOD. So no, "Everybody" can't be saved.
People take the Bible out of context all the time.
So your saying that the God that "finishes what He started" that "knows the End from the beginning" that "desires all to be saved and that none should perish" that does and achieves everything "according to His will" who is "Almighty" and "All knowing" would therefore then fail in everything that He is known to be by letting anyone perish in eternal torment for the rest of eternity? I don't really believe you know God if that is what your preaching because that is contrary to the God of the Bible. Please take another look and carefully and logically evauluate your position. God has given you the ability to discern things - use that ability to understand His Word. What is more important to you. What your preacher tells you or what God has given you in the ability to comprehend? God for comprehension. Forget vain tradition and association. Go for logic and reason and rationality. Believe in Truth over instituion and status quo and tradition.
First you have to understand who the "all people" is referring to because it's not referring to "all people" aka everybody on the planet, but "all people" that are God's chosen that choose to repent. the rest of mankind will either burn in Hell or be subject to Captivity by God's Chosen Elect people because the majority of mankind is wicked Pagans and totally against GOD. So no, "Everybody" can't be saved.
People take the Bible out of context all the time.
Let's think what you are saying through:
"God is the Saviour of all mankind, specially them that believe," should, according to you be: "God is the Saviour of all believers, specially them that believe."
Or how about this:
"I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for
all men; For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all
godliness and honesty. For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; Who will have all
men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. For there is one God, and one mediator
between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.
(1Ti 2:1-6)
So God actually, according to OneFormula, just wants us to pray for all believers (vs.1) and for all (believers) in authority. For "God will have all (only believers) to be saved for Christ gave Himself a ransom (only for believers).
Or how about:
Rom 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
According to OneFormula, death entered only into the believer. The rest of mankind were not affected by Adam's sin, just believers.
Rom 5:18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
Rom 5:19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
According to OneForumula only believers were made sinners and only believers were condemned due to what Adam did. The rest of mankind were not condemned or made sinners. Lucky for unbelievers!
For those of you that misunderstood my comment by "ALL".. here's what you have to understand. That book, The Bible, was NOT, I repeat, WAS NOT, written to ALL mankind. It was written ONLY to a specific people on this planet, The 12 Tribes of Israel aka The Children of Israel...NOBODY ELSE.
So when you read the Bible in that correct context, you then understand that the "ALL" is only referring to the PEOPLE of the Book. the rest of mankind are the Heathans spoken of throughout the Bible.
The ONLY salvation for the Heathan is to come under the umbrella of the Children of Israel who will ultimately be the rulers of this planet in Christ, when he returns.
So, the KEY for all of us to do while we still have time, is to find out your roots/bloodline and where it leads to...if your bloodline/roots don't trace back to the 12 Tribes of Israel you have 2 options:
1. Burn in Hell
2. Serve in Captivity under Christ when he returns. which means you will live, but all the wicked things you were doing prior to his return, you will not be able to do or you will be killed. period.
People think Jesus is coming back to hold hands and sing Kumbyah, he is not. He is coming with a Sword to bring judgement on mankind and rid the Earth of the evil that has taken it over via mankinds love for Satan. .
and He can't do that with gift baskets and flowers. Not gonna happen.
A Saviour is one who saves, not just offers salvation.
Nonsense! A Savior does everything necessary for everyone to be saved, but, does not simply 'inject' Salvation into everyone. If that were the case, "Salvation" would be redundant and Christ would be unnecessary!
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