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Old 05-12-2009, 11:48 PM
 
Location: Idaho
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ah sorry that stuff comes from lev 23
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Old 05-12-2009, 11:50 PM
 
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quote from op

Do you know of any country in the world today that openly practices slavery?


sure i do here ----on every major city 1000's of women many underage are bought and sold every night and most of the cruel slave masters are the decendants of slaves, nonsense? ask any CPS worker.
I beleive the slave master go by the name VISA, Master card, Discovery....
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Old 05-12-2009, 11:51 PM
 
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Bigest sponcers of porn on the net/ sex slaves!!!!!
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Old 05-13-2009, 12:05 AM
 
Location: Seattle/Kent,WA
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I believe He's coming TO His church before He comes for Her.


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Old 05-13-2009, 06:10 AM
 
Location: England
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"And he causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads. Rev. 13:16

Many Christians are looking for a future 7-year tribulation and Antichrist man who will force them to take a mark in their right hand or forehead or be beheaded. Let me tell you: there is no such thing. There will be no man called Antichrist who is the devil incarnate; no mark placed on their body; no buying or selling with this mark. It would take too long to explain why, as I'm sure many of you already know the reasons, but let me just point out this one glaring fact: notice the phrase "free and slave" in the infamous Revelation passage. Do you know of any country in the world today that openly practices slavery? If there are no slaves to take the mark, then how can John's prophecy be fulfilled?


We are slaves to debt...the Bible says that those who owe money are slaves to the ones who lent it.

Also there is still slavery in the world. Its just gone underground and not visible easily.

Also need to look at the context and the root of the word.
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Old 05-13-2009, 07:09 AM
 
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We are slaves to debt...the Bible says that those who owe money are slaves to the ones who lent it.

Also there is still slavery in the world. Its just gone underground and not visible easily.

Also need to look at the context and the root of the word.
And now you know what the 'mark' of the beast is, that people think about and work for. Hense, the forehead, and the hands.
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Old 05-13-2009, 07:41 AM
 
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The mark of the beast (Rev.13) deals with something that occurred during the timing of the things John was shown which were in his day to SHORTLY take place--the time was THEN near. John was told this in both the first and last chapters of the Revelation! The things contained in the Revelation (to include the mark of the beast) occurred in John's day. They are not for our day!

Preterist
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Old 05-13-2009, 07:49 AM
 
Location: Pilot Point, TX
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We are slaves to debt...the Bible says that those who owe money are slaves to the ones who lent it.

Also there is still slavery in the world. Its just gone underground and not visible easily.

Also need to look at the context and the root of the word.
I think we're amiss to look for natural fulfillments to spiritual issues. Bondage in prophecy - to me - has to be related to people in darkness.
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Old 05-13-2009, 08:05 AM
 
Location: Tucson, Arizona
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If the statement were literal, then why would literal slaves even be given a mark to buy or sell? Since when do slaves buy or sell anything? Literal slaves are given their food and whatever their masters think they need. Right in the beginning of Revelation, it is made clear that all the book contain signs of something to come (signified). Yeshua Meshiach is not a literal lamb, or lion (Tho I loved Aslan, lol), The earth could not survive at all if one single star crashed into it. Stars falling from the heavens is a symbol of governments falling from power. As another poster said, the forehead and hand represents our thoughts, how we think and understand, and the works that we do.

It is so tempting to think of an escape from judgment, yet Jesus said we will ALL be tried in the fire, or salted with fire. Judgement BEGINS at the House of God.

Happy middle of the week, all. Hope it goes fast for those who will only have two days left before their weekend and that it gives rest and fulfillment to those whose weekend this is.

God bless all
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Old 05-13-2009, 08:31 AM
 
Location: Tulsa
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The mark of the beast (Rev.13) deals with something that occurred during the timing of the things John was shown which were in his day to SHORTLY take place--the time was THEN near. John was told this in both the first and last chapters of the Revelation! The things contained in the Revelation (to include the mark of the beast) occurred in John's day. They are not for our day!

Preterist
I totally agree with this.

As for Christ's return:

1 Ths. 4:
15For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
16For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
18Wherefore comfort one another with these words.


As for the antichrist:

  1. 1 John 2:22
    Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

  2. 1 John 4:3
    And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

  3. 2 John 1:7
    For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
I really don't understand the confusion about the antichrist...?
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