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“I greatly longed to understand Paul’s Epistle to the Romans and nothing stood in the way but one expression, ‘the justice of God,’ because I took it to mean that justice whereby God is just and deals justly in punishing the unjust. My situation was that, although an impeccable monk, I stood before God as a sinner troubled in conscience, and I had no confidence that my merit would assuage him. Therefore I did not love a just and angry God, but rather hated and murmured against him. Yet I clung to the dear Paul and had a great yearning to know what he meant.”
“Night and day I pondered until I saw the connection between the justice of God and the statement that ‘the just shall live by faith.’ Then I grasped that the justice of God is that righteousness by which through grace and sheer mercy God justifies us through faith. Thereupon I felt myself to be reborn and to have gone through open doors into paradise. The whole of Scripture took on a new meaning, and whereas before the ‘justice of God’ had filled me with hate, now it became to me inexpressibly sweet in great love. This passage of Paul became to me a gate to heaven.”
Martin Luther
If Luther was a sinner even after he became a Christian, and admitted as much and wrote of the freedom he received and the true sense of being born again when he realized the bible taught that faith was accounted man as righteousness, why do so many Christians here on this site speak of being without sin and that only people who never sin are truly Christians? I believe it to be because of dishonesty and pride ...
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Originally Posted by Ironmaw1776
...why do so many Christians here on this site speak of being without sin and that only people who never sin are truly Christians? I believe it to be because of dishonesty and pride ...
I have never read any Christian here declaring they are without sin. To do so is a grave misunderstanding of grace and the truths of the Bible. All Christians sin to one degree or another. I sure many on this forum sin everyday. Our goal as repentant, born again, Spirit filled believers is to not sin.
Sin has been defeated. Christians still sin, but the blood of Jesus Christ has washed that sin away in the sight of God amongst believers, therefore, it has been defeated.
The whole purpose of the cross.
I have never read any Christian here declaring they are without sin. To do so is a grave misunderstanding of grace and the truths of the Bible. All Christians sin to one degree or another. I sure many on this forum sin everyday. Our goal as repentant, born again, Spirit filled believers is to not sin.
You haven't? Just wait and follow this thread a while and you likely will ...
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Posted by Scitamicks
Ironmaw,
Sin has been defeated. Christians still sin, but the blood of Jesus Christ has washed that sin away in the sight of God amongst believers, therefore, it has been defeated.
The whole purpose of the cross.
I understand Sciotamicks, and i agree wholeheartedly ... But some here at C-D do not ...
If Luther was a sinner even after he became a Christian, and admitted as much and wrote of the freedom he received and the true sense of being born again when he realized the bible taught that faith was accounted man as righteousness, why do so many Christians here on this site speak of being without sin and that only people who never sin are truly Christians? I believe it to be because of dishonesty and pride ...
Spiritually speaking Luther was one sick puppy and a rabid anti-Semite. In reference to the spiritual side I can understand why you might be attracted to his teachings.
For example:
Luther:
"No sin can separate us from Him, even if we were to kill or commit adultery thousands of times each day."
"Luther's Correspondence", Lutheran
Publication Society, Philadelphia, 1918, II, p.50
“Be a sinner, and sin boldly, but believe more boldly still.”
“The Saints must be good, downright sinners.”
(“Table Talk”, 1472)(E62, 165)."
-Martin Luther (On the Jews and Their Lies)
They [rulers] must act like a good physician who, when gangrene has set in proceeds without mercy to cut, saw, and burn flesh, veins, bone, and marrow. Such a procedure must also be followed in this instance. Burn down their synagogues, forbid all that I enumerated earlier, force them to work, and deal harshly with them, as Moses did... If this does not help we must drive them out like mad dogs.
Spiritually speaking Luther was one sick puppy and a rabid anti-Semite. In reference to the spiritual side I can understand why you might be attracted to his teachings.
For example:
Luther:
"No sin can separate us from Him, even if we were to kill or commit adultery thousands of times each day."
"Luther's Correspondence", Lutheran
Publication Society, Philadelphia, 1918, II, p.50
“Be a sinner, and sin boldly, but believe more boldly still.”
“The Saints must be good, downright sinners.”
(“Table Talk”, 1472)(E62, 165)."
-Martin Luther (On the Jews and Their Lies)
They [rulers] must act like a good physician who, when gangrene has set in proceeds without mercy to cut, saw, and burn flesh, veins, bone, and marrow. Such a procedure must also be followed in this instance. Burn down their synagogues, forbid all that I enumerated earlier, force them to work, and deal harshly with them, as Moses did... If this does not help we must drive them out like mad dogs.
HK
See, this person is a prime example of Christians who believe they do not sin.
By the way Harold, i don't follow Martin Luther(or any other man than Christ), i just found his candor in this instance refreshing.
Sin has been defeated. Christians still sin, but the blood of Jesus Christ has washed that sin away in the sight of God amongst believers, therefore, it has been defeated.
The whole purpose of the cross.
Oh... ok only for believers... for a minute there I thought you were on board with the UR thing... Because that is the only difference between non-UR and UR... URers believe that the blood of Christ washed away ALL sin not just that of believers but that believers are (or should) bearing fruit from that belief... But Jesus did not come to conquer SOME sin.. but ALL...
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Spiritually speaking Luther was one sick puppy and a rabid anti-Semite. In reference to the spiritual side I can understand why you might be attracted to his teachings.
For example:
Luther:
"No sin can separate us from Him, even if we were to kill or commit adultery thousands of times each day."
"Luther's Correspondence", Lutheran
Publication Society, Philadelphia, 1918, II, p.50
“Be a sinner, and sin boldly, but believe more boldly still.”
“The Saints must be good, downright sinners.”
(“Table Talk”, 1472)(E62, 165)."
-Martin Luther (On the Jews and Their Lies)
They [rulers] must act like a good physician who, when gangrene has set in proceeds without mercy to cut, saw, and burn flesh, veins, bone, and marrow. Such a procedure must also be followed in this instance. Burn down their synagogues, forbid all that I enumerated earlier, force them to work, and deal harshly with them, as Moses did... If this does not help we must drive them out like mad dogs.
HK
Funny cuz Paul said the same thing:
Romans 5:20 The law was added so that the trespass might increase. But where sin increased, grace increased all the more,
Psalm 138:6 For though the LORD is exalted, Yet He regards the lowly, But the haughty He knows from afar.
Proverbs 3:34 Though He scoffs at the scoffers, Yet He gives grace to the afflicted.
and Paul says this twice (or four times if you count the two in each verse):
1 Cor. 6:12 "Everything is permissible for me"--but not everything is beneficial. "Everything is permissible for me"--but I will not be mastered by anything.
1 Corinthians 10:23 All things are lawful, but not all things are profitable. All things are lawful, but not all things edify.
If you are not a sinner than you have no need for grace.. and if you have no need for grace then you are still under the law.. LOL I'll take grace thanks!
Romans 6:14 For sin shall not be your master, because you are not under law, but under grace.
Now if you are under the law then you retain your sin? I think that is what the verse is about that says, with what measure you judge you shall be judged... I still think I will take grace.
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To do so is a grave misunderstanding of grace and the truths of the Bible. All Christians sin to one degree or another. I sure many on this forum sin everyday. Our goal as repentant, born again, Spirit filled believers is to not sin. 
