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Just trying to set the record straight, doesn't mean I'm anti-catholic.
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Originally Posted by Suburban Gal
There's something like 33,000+ denominations of Protestantism and counting. Please tell me which one (Baptist, Methodist, Prebyterian, etc...) sticks closest to the Bible and is right.
All I know is that at least these Protestant denominations are not into IDOLATRY .... ie. venerating Mary, praying to dead saints and angels, chanting the rosary, bypassing Christ for priests for confessions ... which are but all gross distorted applications of the Bible !!! ..... Blatant violations of the 1st and 2nd commandments !!!
Just trying to set the record straight, doesn't mean I'm anti-catholic.
You're NOT doing a very good job of it. And, for the record, I certainly think you're anti-Catholic since you seem to have it out so much for my faith.
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Originally Posted by ShalomPeace
All I know is that at least these Protestant denominations are not into IDOLATRY .... ie. venerating Mary, praying to dead saints and angels, chanting the rosary, bypassing Christ for priests for confessions ... which are but all gross distorted applications of the Bible !!! ..... Blatant violations of the 1st and 2nd commandments !!!
There's LOTS of Protestant denominations out there ... Baptist, Methodist, Presbyterian, etc... ... and even they're quite splintered. For example, you have Southern Baptists, Reformed Baptists, Independent Fundamental Baptists, etc... .
There's a Baptist church near me and when many members of the congregation started to disagree with other members they broke away and formed their own church.
Heck, even the folks at the Baptist Board do a lot of infighting. You have those who take a position that women should be pastors and those who strongly believe women shouldn't be pastors and both sides use the Bible to defend their position.
It seems, however, the one thing you Protestants CAN agree on regardless if you're Baptist, Methodist, presbyterian, etc... is the fact that you don't like Catholics.
FYI... all Protestant denominations want to claim they're the "one, true Church". So, who is right? There can be only one.
It seems, however, the one thing you Protestants CAN agree on regardless if you're Baptist, Methodist, presbyterian, etc... is the fact that you don't like Catholics.
Get in line. They rail against a whole lot of people. The line is long, but distinguished!
There are some schismatic Catholic groups separate from the Roman Catholic Church. Out of curiosity I know of some of the main ones.
The Old Catholic Church - They broke off over papal infallibility. Since then they have joined the Anglican Communion. In the US they tend to be very theologically liberal. One has a priest who's a drag-queen performer and gay dance club singer.
The Polish National Catholic Church - I believe this is primarily a Polish-American group. They felt American Catholic churches were too ran by the Irish and otherwise not seeing to their spiritual needs. However I'm pretty sure they allowed married priests, rejected Papal Infallibility, and a few other things. They are moderate to conservative in that I believe they maintain most Catholic views and do not have women priests.
Catholic Apostolic Church - Dissident Brazilian bishop, or maybe Archbishop, founded. Don't know much about this except it can be counted as major due to the number in Latin America. I think it trends toward liberal, but in a more Latin American way. Like Liberation-Theology and opposition to "authoritarianism."
Society of St. Pius X - Consider themselves to be in communion with Roman Catholic Church. Gained controversy over one of their bishops being a Holocaust denier. Intensely conservative in theology they reject Vatican II and more-or-less maintain the idea Jews live in a world of darkness. (This varies from the charitable "all are in darkness without Christ, we just want to share the good news to them too" to a more hostile anti-Judaism and belief in Jewish conspiracies)
More minor
Mariavite Catholic Church - Minor group in Poland, which has itself schismed. Started by a Polish woman's visions and evolved from there.
Liberal Catholic Church - A group of Catholics influenced by Theosophy. As I recall they believe in reincarnation among other things.
Palmarian Catholic Church - An eccentric group of Spanish traditionalist Catholics. They reject Vatican II as do most Traditionalists, but they take a mysticalist approach that means they have their own "Pope." As I recall they believe a Spanish man, who later confessed to sexual indiscretions with both men and women, was made Pope in a vision from Jesus Christ. Also they consider Francisco Franco a saint.
There might be 200 groups if you add up all the men who've declared themselves Pope from their ranch or parents store and have any kind of following. And in charity I'm not sure there's "33,000" Protestant denominations. For all I know that figure requires you to stretch the definition of "Protestant" or "denomination" or both. Still it's possible as various people will set up their own church and I think that's a bit more common then the "My brothers and cousin elected me Pope" churches.
You're NOT doing a very good job of it. And, for the record, I certainly think you're anti-Catholic since you seem to have it out so much for my faith.
You can think whatever you want to think, and for the record, I too think you're anti-christian since you have it so much against the christian faith. Oh right .. wait a minute, Catholics aren't really Christian, are you?
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Originally Posted by Suburban Gal
There's LOTS of Protestant denominations out there ... Baptist, Methodist, Presbyterian, etc... ... and even they're quite splintered. For example, you have Southern Baptists, Reformed Baptists, Independent Fundamental Baptists, etc... .
Just like there are the Catholic/Liberal, Catholic/heretic, Catholic/Conservatist, Catholic Charismatic ... and what have you !!
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Originally Posted by Suburban Gal
There's a Baptist church near me and when many members of the congregation started to disagree with other members they broke away and formed their own church.
Heck, even the folks at the Baptist Board do a lot of infighting. You have those who take a position that women should be pastors and those who strongly believe women shouldn't be pastors and both sides use the Bible to defend their position.
I too have friends who used to be Catholics, they broke away from their churches to join my Christian church, simply because they did not agree with the Catholic church teachings.
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Originally Posted by Suburban Gal
It seems, however, the one thing you Protestants CAN agree on regardless if you're Baptist, Methodist, presbyterian, etc... is the fact that you don't like Catholics.
That's so not true - we don't like Catholicism, not the Catholics. ....
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Originally Posted by Suburban Gal
FYI... all Protestant denominations want to claim they're the "one, true Church". So, who is right? There can be only one.
It's the Roman Catholic Church that always claims the "one true church" status. I would say the one true church is the church Jesus Christ established, and that definitely ain't the RC Church nor any other church that distorts the Word of God.!!
I don't like reading things like, "You really need the Pope to tell you that?" because it's "attacking" to me as a Catholic. I don't go around saying, "You really need your pastor to tell you that?"
I also don't like reading things like, "You mean the unbilbical, man-made, paganistic traditions ....." because it just goes to show how uneducated you are about the Catholic faith and comments like, "Your kidding right...the verse pointing to veneration Mary, or the weak verses pointing to a purgatory and the list goes on....................." just go to show me that you're not really willing to be the open-minded person I'd like you to be in order to try and properly educate you about my faith so that all the lies and misconceptions you've been fed about us are no more. Then again, I guess many of you don't care to be properly educated about us Catholics due to your deep prejudices about us. Too bad. Christ was open-minded. Why can't you be?
I know some of you will say that you will confront a lie head on any day, but how do you know Catholicism is a lie? You don't know it's a lie anymore than I know Protestantism is a lie.
Enough said.
Again, with all due respect, I asked: Why do you need the Pope to tell you that it (hell) is a real place, when God HIMSELF have spoken on it throughout the bible? Why not believe God? That's the question I asked....
I apologize if that question "rubbed" you the wrong way, but that's what truth does......it ignites something in you and then you want more and more, of truth, that is.
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Again, with all due respect, I asked: Why do you need the Pope to tell you that it (hell) is a real place, when God HIMSELF have spoken on it throughout the bible? Why not believe God? That's the question I asked....
I apologize if that question "rubbed" you the wrong way, but that's what truth does......it ignites something in you and then you want more and more, of truth, that is.
We all knew that, He was just re-affirming our beliefs. Just like other popes have done on other subjects i the past. With all the Christian groups claiming there is no hell, he was just simply reminding us of the reality of the Situation.
Again, with all due respect, I asked: Why do you need the Pope to tell you that it (hell) is a real place, when God HIMSELF have spoken on it throughout the bible? Why not believe God? That's the question I asked....
I apologize if that question "rubbed" you the wrong way, but that's what truth does......it ignites something in you and then you want more and more, of truth, that is.
But we are saying you are not setting it straight----you are distorting many things. You do not want to hear it. You just want to bash, not learn.
Hey I ain't distort nothing .. -- they are already distorted - not my fault .... you guys have to straighten it out !!!!
No bashing intended, really... just wanna have some fun ... and I love having fun with Catholics ....
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