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Yea i have read those before , don't know how i missed the Hagee one.
There is stuff by Ray i am not sure about though.
Yeah I know not everyone agrees with everything Ray says, but I think most of his stuff is spot on and scriptural. I'm sure no one has it all figured out.
Anyway, here is a relevant portion from that article on the aions:
I will prove that both of these eons, over which Christ will reign, have beginnings and have ends, which excludes any possibility that they last "for ever."
See its simplicity: There was a time before God made any eons (I Cor. 2:7). Then God made the eons (Heb. 1:2). There were eons in the past (Col 1:26). We are living in this present wicked eon (Gal. 1:4). Satan is the god of this eon (II Cor. 4:4). Christ, not Satan, will reign a thousand years in the next eon (Lk 1:33). The thousand years will come to an end (Rev. 20:3). Christ will reign in the eon that follows the thousand years (Rev. 22:5 and Lk. 1:33). Hence, He reigns for the "eons" (the next two) "of the eons" (all others).
Then the last eon comes to an end (I Cor. 10:11). Christ ceases to reign after the eons come to an end (I Cor. 15:24:28) because He turns over the Kingdom to God His Father and God becomes "all in all." The eons end, but that which is of the Kingdom continues (Lk 1:33 & Isa. 9:7). We all continue "living" after the eons because, just like God, we will then all have been given immortality.
An agenda by whom? All the translators of the bibles we have been using for umpteen years?? And why would anyone have that agenda?
I am curious, exactly how many places in the scriptures is the word aion used singularly? How many places is it used in the plural? How many places is it used in some other form, and with some other word?
My Analytical Greek Lexicon ( Zondervan, 1972) gives several alternate wordings, and gives illimitableduration,eternity as the definitions.
It also gives aionios and variations, indeterminateastoduration, eternal, everlasting.
How about 1 Tim. 1:17??? This is the plural form of aion, and is speaking of Jesus.
Also...where is aion used in the Old Testament? What Hebrew words are used to speak of eternity there?
Too many questions on this theory, and too few plausible explanations!
I actually gave some of this information but of course you can imagine what I got back. I even told the word in greek, translated exterminate, but oh well, I must be making this up in our heads, right.
By reading this and using the greek-english, it still points toward the wicked being punished, but says nothing about God bringing them into His presence afterward.
So, if the wicked are being punished for an age, eon, and the such, does it say that God will bring them into His presence, not from what I am reading, it is saying that they are being destroyed, in the greek bible, exterminate, but people can believe that they want to believe.
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I actually gave some of this information but of course you can imagine what I got back. I even told the word in greek, translated exterminate, but oh well, I must be making this up in our heads, right.
By reading this and using the greek-english, it still points toward the wicked being punished, but says nothing about God bringing them into His presence afterward.
So, if the wicked are being punished for an age, eon, and the such, does it say that God will bring them into His presence, not from what I am reading, it is saying that they are being destroyed, in the greek bible, exterminate, but people can believe that they want to believe.
Miss_Shawn,
You said previously you aren't glad or wish for anyone to go to an eternal hell. Let me ask you this:
Do you like the idea that eternal hell exists?
Does the concept of eternal punishment for sins make sense to you?
You said previously you aren't glad or wish for anyone to go to an eternal hell. Let me ask you this:
Do you like the idea that eternal hell exists?
Does the concept of eternal punishment for sins make sense to you?
Yes, I do in Isaiah 26:14
The dead will not live, the departed spirits will not rise; Therefore You have punished and destroyed them, And You have wiped out all remembrance of them.
When I read this scripture, it says that they are destroyed, wiped out.
What does that mean to you? It sound like they are destroyed and wiped out.
I believe they will be destroyed eternally, for ever that was there punishment destroyed for ever, there eternal punishment. Of less you see something in this scripture that I don't?
The dead will not live, the departed spirits will not rise; Therefore You have punished and destroyed them, And You have wiped out all remembrance of them.
When I read this scripture, it says that they are destroyed, wiped out.
What does that mean to you? It sound like they are destroyed and wiped out.
I believe they will be destroyed eternally, for ever that was there punishment destroyed for ever, there eternal punishment. Of less you see something in this scripture that I don't?
Sorry I didn't quite understand you.
You believe in annihilation?
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