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Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began
But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel
Death has been abolished for the elect, not the devil and his seed..
Here is their portion:
rev 20:
And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the seconddeath.
rev 21:
But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
Brloved i knew i was going to wake up to this statement from you this morning
Death as been abolished but it will still have power over everyone but the elect.( City Data Forum chapter 3 verse 1 )
Beloved death was cast in there not people
Death was only abolished for the elect of God, not the devil and his seed..
rev 21:
But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the seconddeath.
In my study of the lake that burns with fire and brimstone I was very much helped and impressed by the understanding given by Charles Pridgeon and I would like to quote from his scholarly work on the subject of BRIMSTONE. He says: "The Lake of Fire and Brimstone signifies a fire burning with brimstone; the word 'brimstone' or sulphur defines the character of the fire. The Greek word THEION translated 'brimstone' is exactly the same word THEION which means 'divine.' Sulphur was sacred to the deity among the ancient Greeks; and was used to fumigate, to purify, and to cleanse and consecrate to the deity; for this purpose they burned it in their incense. In Homer's Iliad (16:228), one is spoken of as purifying a goblet with fire and brimstone. The verb derived from THEION is THEIOO, which means to hallow, to make divine, or to dedicate to a god (See Liddell and Scott Greek-English Lexicon, 1897 Edition). To any Greek, or any trained in the Greek language, a 'lake of fire and brimstone' would mean a 'lake of divine purification.' The idea of judgment need not be excluded. Divine purification and divine consecration are the plain meaning in ancient Greek. In the ordinary explanation, this fundamental meaning of the word is entirely left out, and nothing but eternal torment is associated with it" -end quote.
In my study of the lake that burns with fire and brimstone I was very much helped and impressed by the understanding given by Charles Pridgeon and I would like to quote from his scholarly work on the subject of BRIMSTONE. He says: "The Lake of Fire and Brimstone signifies a fire burning with brimstone; the word 'brimstone' or sulphur defines the character of the fire. The Greek word THEION translated 'brimstone' is exactly the same word THEION which means 'divine.' Sulphur was sacred to the deity among the ancient Greeks; and was used to fumigate, to purify, and to cleanse and consecrate to the deity; for this purpose they burned it in their incense. In Homer's Iliad (16:228), one is spoken of as purifying a goblet with fire and brimstone. The verb derived from THEION is THEIOO, which means to hallow, to make divine, or to dedicate to a god (See Liddell and Scott Greek-English Lexicon, 1897 Edition). To any Greek, or any trained in the Greek language, a 'lake of fire and brimstone' would mean a 'lake of divine purification.' The idea of judgment need not be excluded. Divine purification and divine consecration are the plain meaning in ancient Greek. In the ordinary explanation, this fundamental meaning of the word is entirely left out, and nothing but eternal torment is associated with it" -end quote.
Not to mention the word torment should be translated as chastisement or testing for purification.The Greek word is "basanismos", or literally touchstone. Used for testing the purity of metals during the process of refining. Its all symbolic in every possible way to the process of cleansing and refining.
beloved57, I commend you for attempting to discuss this with those who only want to spout their version of truth according to their accepted interpretation. They will not listen. They do not understand. They, of course, will say the same thing to us. That's their perogative. They play a broken record, usurp most threads to spout their beliefs to the detriment of any and all discussion. Hence why I have very seldom ventured to post on this forum any longer. I get a headache from banging my head against the wall.
My opinion -- not everyone will be with Jesus in Heaven. He said it. He speaks truth. Twisting scripture around man's fallible ideas is dangerous and wrong. Man doesn't need a degree in Greek to understand what Jesus taught. "Depart for I never knew you". Yes, sounds like for only a temporary "time out" until they come to their senses .
beloved57, I commend you for attempting to discuss this with those who only want to spout their version of truth according to their accepted interpretation. They will not listen. They do not understand. They, of course, will say the same thing to us. That's their perogative. They play a broken record, usurp most threads to spout their beliefs to the detriment of any and all discussion. Hence why I have very seldom ventured to post on this forum any longer. I get a headache from banging my head against the wall.
My opinion -- not everyone will be with Jesus in Heaven. He said it. He speaks truth. Twisting scripture around man's fallible ideas is dangerous and wrong. Man doesn't need a degree in Greek to understand what Jesus taught. "Depart for I never knew you". Yes, sounds like for only a temporary "time out" until they come to their senses .
So mams and ILNC do you believe as beloved does, that God does not love all mankind, that Jesus did not die for all mankind, that God only offers salvation to the elect who will will receive salvation, all others (children of the devil) having no opportunity for salvation? God bless.
beloved:
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He wasnt talking to you or I when He told His disciples to Love their enemies..
and besides, God never told His disciples to Love His enemies..thats forbidden..
So mams and ILNC do you believe as beloved does, that God does not love all mankind, that Jesus did not die for all mankind, that God only offers salvation to the elect who will will receive salvation, all others (children of the devil) having no opportunity for salvation? God bless.
I don't believe that for a minute. And thats the truth.
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Brloved i knew i was going to wake up to this statement from you this morning
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