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Did God purpose the fall of man?
Did God want man to fall?
Did God not want man to fall?
Is the fall of man, the fault of man, or the plan of God?
I suppose its useful to define what "the fall of man" is. This is when Adam & Eve ate from the tree of knowledge of good and evil, thus sin entered the world, and then creation was cursed.
I think this verse gives us our answer:
Romans 8:20 For the creation was subjected to frustration, not by its own choice, but by the will of the one who subjected it, in hope
21 that the creation itself will be liberated from its bondage to decay and brought into the glorious freedom of the children of God.
Definitely the plan of God.
Ignorance is NOT bliss.
The fall of man was planned.
We (our Father has purposed us to) put on this corruption so that would could truly know INcorruption.
This life, with it's contrast of love and non-love... is a gift.
Sometimes it is very difficult to see it as a gift.
We struggle in our hardships and trials and tribulations, but in the end ALL will understand just what a gift it was. If we never knew anything BUT love, if we were never SEPERATED From LOVE (God), then we could never truly STAND BACK and see God for He is. We would NEVER understand (truly) and we would never appreciate (truly to the utmost) GOD.
Darkness must be shown for what it is. the darkness is that which is NOT LOVE. Darkness must be experienced, and exhausted and DEFEATED.
LOVE conquers ALL.
All is well.
But we must move through this life in order for our mortal to put on immortal.
All knees will bow at the foot of the cross.... the cross.. the SUPREME act of love. All will finally come to UNDERSTAND the cross.
Well, what religion asserts as truth really doesn't display God in a light that's much different than man.
I mean......
I'd go Crazy if I had created the "PERFECT" plan and set up two people with all they could ever want and in return I was betrayed by the worthless backstabbers and some stupid serpent.
I'd go crazy and probably do something like flood the world, oh yes, I'd be angry. Watch out here I come creation, no one does that to me.
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Definitely the plan of God.
Ignorance is NOT bliss.
The fall of man was planned.
We (our Father has purposed us to) put on this corruption so that would could truly know INcorruption.
This life, with it's contrast of love and non-love... is a gift.
Sometimes it is very difficult to see it as a gift.
We struggle in our hardships and trials and tribulations, but in the end ALL will understand just what a gift it was. If we never knew anything BUT love, if we were never SEPERATED From LOVE (God), then we could never truly STAND BACK and see God for He is. We would NEVER understand (truly) and we would never appreciate (truly to the utmost) GOD.
Darkness must be shown for what it is. the darkness is that which is NOT LOVE. Darkness must be experienced, and exhausted and DEFEATED.
LOVE conquers ALL.
All is well.
But we must move through this life in order for our mortal to put on immortal.
All knees will bow at the foot of the cross.... the cross.. the SUPREME act of love. All will finally come to UNDERSTAND the cross.
All will CLING to God forever.
It's an awesome plan.
"Absence makes the heart grow fonder" ...
And ...
"You don't know what you've got till its gone" ...
I believe that it was all in the plan of God, also.
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Darkness must be shown for what it is. the darkness is that which is NOT LOVE. Darkness must be experienced, and exhausted and DEFEATED.
LOVE conquers ALL.
Did God purpose the fall of man?
Did God want man to fall?
Did God not want man to fall?
Is the fall of man, the fault of man, or the plan of God?
I suppose its useful to define what "the fall of man" is. This is when Adam & Eve ate from the tree of knowledge of good and evil, thus sin entered the world, and then creation was cursed.
I think this verse gives us our answer:
Romans 8:20 For the creation was subjected to frustration, not by its own choice, but by the will of the one who subjected it, in hope
21 that the creation itself will be liberated from its bondage to decay and brought into the glorious freedom of the children of God.
What do you think?
What is with this fixation to get in the mind of God? Everything is God's will. He does it for His glory
Some believe that God gave Adam a choice and that what happened was the result of Adam's disobedience, but in reality God who is all knowing, already knew what would take place in the creation and He brought it into being. Jesus was the lamb slain from the foundation of the world and was not plan B. God created the serpent, placed the tree of the knowledge of good and evil in the garden, knew what would happen. Sin and death have a purpose in the creation.
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Darkness must be shown for what it is. the darkness is that which is NOT LOVE. Darkness must be experienced, and exhausted and DEFEATED.
LOVE conquers ALL.
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God brought the Adversary into being, for ALL is out of God (Rom.11:36), and God had determined beforehand that sin and estrangement would enter the universe through the acts of the Adversary, but this fact must not be considered in isolation. God had also purposed His mighty work of SALVATION by way of the cross of His beloved SON and, in order to reveal the glory of HIS SAVING POWER IN CHRIST JESUS, God required the dark background of sin and estrangement. Had Satan, the Adversary, in introducing (through his activities) sin into the universe, acted in absolute independence of God, them he should be praised for bringing about the condition that gave God the opportunity to manifest His saving grace. God will not give HIS GLORY to another. (Isa.42:8). Until we are able to recognize the mighty power of God, "Who is operating all (and Satan is included in the "all") in accord with the counsel of His will" (Eph.1:11), we cannot avoid attributing to the Adversary what God achieves and will achieve. But this we must refrain from doing, being concerned always to ascribe all praise to God. It should be known that Satan is not an intruder in God's universe, but rather holds, as the chief of the jurisdiction of the air, high office among God's celestial hosts. In the book of Job, he is referred to as "Satan", and Satan, in Hebrew, means "adversary". It is just as necessary that God should have an adversary in His government as it is that He should have any other officer. An adversary opposes, and Satan opposed Job, and thus God had an opportunity to show what His grace and compassion could accomplish for Job. Indeed, had it not been for the Adversary, there would have been no "wisdom of this world" (1Cor.1:20), against the dark backdrop of which is revealed the glory of Christ, Who is the power and wisdom of God, the universal Saviour (1Cor.1:18-25).
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