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Old 08-10-2009, 10:31 AM
 
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Its an ungodly thought and desire to desire all men saved, when God doesnt have that desire, since He purposed to curse many into everlasting fire, as these Matt 25:

41Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
b57, what do you believe is the nature of this fire? Physical eternal fire, or just eternal separation?

Also, will those in the eternal fire know why they are in there?
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Old 08-10-2009, 12:48 PM
 
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Its an ungodly thought and desire to desire all men saved, when God doesnt have that desire, since He purposed to curse many into everlasting fire, as these Matt 25:

41Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
I wonder, then, why the Bible says repeatedly that God loves the whole world, and that He desires that all people come into the truth...
You should read more of your Bible, not just the verses that fit in with the disgusting belief system known as Calvinism.
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Old 08-10-2009, 12:49 PM
 
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That does not prevent all mankind from being saved. Jesus gives the answer to how they will escape.

It is not ungodly to read and believe that answer in scripture. It is not ungodly to disagree with you.

I nothiced one argument that cannot be defeated where the salvation of all is concerned. It has to do with the parables of the wicked servants portion(Luk 12:46) in light of the references to the judgment of fire which shall try all mens works(1Cor 3:15).

I haven't seen anyone who believer in ET provide an explantion that defeats this argument.

The bible tells us in 1 cor 3:15 that those without good works will be saved, yet so as by fire ... And even if this only refers to Christians who are in fact wicked servants ... and If the wicked servant is alloted his portion with the unbelievers in judgment, then the unbelievers as well as the wicked servant will be saved, yet so as by fire according to scripture, plain and simple. Will anyone of the ET'ers ever accept this, probably not, but they cant deny it either ...
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Old 08-10-2009, 12:56 PM
 
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I wonder, then, why the Bible says repeatedly that God loves the whole world
He does, the world of elect jews and gentiles..The scope of Gods Love is world wide..
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Old 08-10-2009, 01:11 PM
 
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He does, the world of elect jews and gentiles..The scope of Gods Love is world wide..
We all live on the same world...
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Old 08-10-2009, 01:12 PM
 
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We all live on the same world...
Who said we didnt ?
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Old 08-10-2009, 01:20 PM
 
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He does, the world of elect jews and gentiles..The scope of Gods Love is world wide..
I thought it was only the devil who added to the scripture and twisted the scripture , so beloved57 how come you keep adding the elect into the scriptures you are quoting when it's simply not there.

It's say for God so loved the world not "for God so loved the world of the elect".
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Old 08-10-2009, 01:32 PM
 
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Who said we didnt ?
You are speaking as if we exist on a different planet...that's not what the Bible says.
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Old 08-10-2009, 01:36 PM
 
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You are speaking as if we exist on a different planet...that's not what the Bible says.
Where did i say that ?
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Old 08-10-2009, 01:37 PM
 
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I thought it was only the devil who added to the scripture and twisted the scripture
When the last time you looked in the mirror ?
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