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if someone has a double mind they are unstable in all their ways.
Thats us, NOT Christ.
Not of a double mind since what came out of it was not sin. But Jesus contended with His OWN flesh which CRAVED to cater to SELF. Jesus as a man desired to eat after being starved. He knew that He could turn rocks into bread and eat but that was similiar to this:
Jas 1:14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
Jas 1:15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.
It doesn't say that we are tempted when we are drawn away by the lust that Satan gives us but says OUR OWN lust. I believe Jesus had this initial lust to eat but never allowed it to conceive and bring forth sin. This to me is exactly how Jesus Christ by His own Spirit that He demonstrated can save us from our sins.
Now when you consider it from this perspective you will start to come to the conclusion that the more POWER you have the more LUST you could potentially conceive. Since Jesus had such immense Power, you will then realize that because of that, He was actually tempted much more than we are as a result of that.
Who was God talking to in the book of Job when he ask, have you considered my servant Job? Who replied...you have a hedge around him? Take down the hedge and he will curse you to his face. That doesn`t seem like he was talking to Job but someone else.
Who was God talking to in the book of Job when he ask, have you considered my servant Job? Who replied...you have a hedge around him? Take down the hedge and he will curse you to his face. That doesn`t seem like he was talking to Job but someone else.
As we stated earlier, Job is a hard fit for this understanding of Satan to not be a stand alone being but I think maybe the book of Job shouldn't possibly be understood literally in that fashion just as we shouldn't literally take the words of the book of Revelation.
Camps if he is not tempted by the lust of the flesh, than why do you see the devil in those scriptures as the carnal mind or fleasly mind?
If it was not the carnal mind that tempted Him, what was it?
Yes, it would be His flesh that causes His temptation. The Carnal Mind doesn't exist apart from the flesh - again if it did that would give weight to Satan being a stand alone being.
Not of a double mind since what came out of it was not sin. But Jesus contended with His OWN flesh which CRAVED to cater to SELF. Jesus as a man desired to eat after being starved. He knew that He could turn rocks into bread and eat but that was similiar to this:
Jas 1:14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
Jas 1:15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.
It doesn't say that we are tempted when we are drawn away by the lust that Satan gives us but says OUR OWN lust. I believe Jesus had this initial lust to eat but never allowed it to conceive and bring forth sin. This to me is exactly how Jesus Christ by His own Spirit that He demonstrated can save us from our sins.
Now when you consider it from this perspective you will start to come to the conclusion that the more POWER you have the more LUST you could potentially conceive. Since Jesus had such immense Power, you will then realize that because of that, He was actually tempted much more than we are as a result of that.
Paul
I understand that from our point of view Paul, but as related to Jesus being tempted by His carnal mind show Jesus having a double mind, and goes directly against Jesus saying the prince of this world has NOTHING IN ME.
I have spoken many time in the past with other on this topic Paul and what I have noticed is that God has given them a new layer of what the scriptures are saying and then they turn around and do away with the old layer, as if the old layer is not any longer written in Gods word.
But that is all it is brother, another layer to the onion of scripture, it does not take away the old layer, it adds to it.
Bob, lust, Jealousy etc. All the things God created in man are not sinful in and of themselves, else the Spirit sins for it lusts against the flesh and God sins for He is a jealous God.
Yes, normally when we say the word "lust" we are thinking of negative lusts which are evil. But the most basic "lust" meaning of lust is something like "fervant desire". It is what one fervantly desires that makes it sinful or not.
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So what I see happening is that satan interjected his thoughts into Adam and Eve and played on the lust that God had given them. And I believe this can be seen in the scripture you quoted. It was AFTER satan interjected these thoughts into Eve that she saw that the tree was good for food, pleasant to the eyes and a tree to be desired to make one wise.
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Before satan spoke to her she never looked at the tree in that fashion.
Yes, I agree.
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