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Nope, just calling out the hypocrites and snakes hiding behind the big WWJD letters.
God has a lot of work for me to do. I twist and shout to God, yes.
LOL....the post are proof who is the real hyprocrite! You can not wiggle out of this one....Phazelwood! Your deception, twisting, lying, are out there for the whole world to see.....
No, I am sorry but.....God doesn't deceive, lie, twist His Truth....
Oh, wait, yeah, He probably is using you, to show the deception to those who He is teaching discernment against false prophets, false teachers, false doctrines....
LOL....the post are proof who is the real hyprocrite! You can not wiggle out of this one....Phazelwood! Your deception, twisting, lying, are out there for the whole world to see.....
No, I am sorry but.....God doesn't deceive, lie, twist His Truth....
Oh, wait, yeah, He probably is using you, to show the deception to those who He is teaching discernment against false prophets, false teachers, false doctrines....
I am who I am and the world can watch and come to whatever conclusion it likes.
Your the one using the letters WWJD in contradiction to yourself and your posts. I have made no such claims.
I am who I am and the world can watch and come to whatever conclusion it likes.
Your the one using the letters WWJD in contradiction to yourself and your posts. I have made no such claims.
Nope....I didn't contradict at all!! And all can see that....Phazelwood!
Yup, the world will see the conclusion.....LOL!!
Better go back and reread some post....Phazelwood! You didn't have to reply or yet be hostile, bitter, resentful to my reply made to Miss Shawn and Fundy's post! Now did ya??? ....
Not being hard on myself, I am pointing out that what a human being thinks about where anothers standing with God is, no matter what they "observe" is irrelevant.
Well, that seems to be the problem, one promise is not negated by another. We hear "God is love but he is also wrath". What the truth is when it comes to God is that He is love and wrath and all of his atrributes all at the same time. If Jesus sent his son on a mission to be savioir of the world, our will, our choices or what attribute you can try to project upon another doesn't change that Jesus will be successful in the mission he was sent to do to the degree of 100%.
We hear people project doom on another by suggesting that Gods wrath remaining on someone is of such a horror, that our imaginations and minds could not even comprehend such madness to be on someone.
Hogwash, God's wrath remains on someone to bring them to him in glory. There is only one purpose for all of Gods attributes, to draw us to him. Saul who became Paul. Yeah, Paul made a choice, willingly, but all this about being independant of God is completely contradicted in that story alone. Saul, the essence of wickedness was destroyed, forever, but what does it mean then since Paul remained after Gods wrath was upon him?
You won't see it until you remove your carnal shell and see all of Gods attributes in perfect harmony acting all at the same time.
Sure, Free Will in scripture is not a complete independance from the creator, it is a freedom to choose within Gods plan.
Pr 5:21 For the ways of man [are] before the eyes of the LORD, and he pondereth all his goings.
Pr 16:9 A man's heart devises his way, Yet Yahweh establishes his steps.
I have never said we do not have a choice,so your objection does not apply to me.
Having a choice goes along with the verses above. Independance from God is impossible, this does not prevent us from making choices.
We are not independant from God, that is why Jesus will not fail to complete his mission 100%. Don't take your free will apart from scripture and worship it, you will find yourself boasting about your choice.
How are you independant of God if it is not about you? You are not.
Why would even 99% be satsfactory to a supreme being? It's not.
Dear Phaze,
Would it be alright if I made a new thread to continue our conversation, so that I can keep this thread on topic? I'd love to continue discussing with you in a loving manner all these things that seem to separate us...because I know in my heart what separates us isn't something we can't find to unite us in the Word of God, and I would like to examine this with you in a deeper, more meaningful way without being rude or hurtful towards one another....are you game?
O.k...legoman, and everyone...this is what I want to discuss...
...I want to discuss my OP first, before anything else, o.k?...
The following comes from a Greek Dictionary:
* Please take note:
The term "EVERLASTING", #166, COMES FROM - #165, which IS THE SAME AS - #104.
#166. ainios; comes from #165; perpetual (also used of past time, or past and future as well): - eternal, everlasting, world (began)
#165. aion; from the same as #104; prop. an age; by extens. perpetuity (also past); by impl. the world; spec. (Jewish) a Messianic period (present or future); - age, course, eternal, (for) ever (more), [n-] ever (beginning of the, while the) world (began, without end)
#104. ah-eye'; from an obs. prim. noun (apparent meaning continued duration); "ever," by qualification regularly; by impl. earnestly; - always, ever.
Do not be lured into a false sense of security (thinking that no matter what you do in this lifetime, you will be saved from being permanently...eternally separated from God) by allowing your pride to deceive you...please do not be deceived by pride.
Obadiah 1:3 The pride of thine heart hath deceived thee, thou that dwellest in the clefts of the rock, whose habitation is high, thus saith in his heart, "Who shall bring me down to the ground?'
Revelation 18:7 How much she hath glorified herself and lived voluptuously! That much torment and sorrow give back to her: for she saith in her heart, 'I sit a queen and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow.'
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The following verses that include the word "everlasting", falls under the #166 meaning...
Matthew 18:8 Therefore, if thy hand or thy foot cause thee to fall, cut them off and cast them from thee; it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet, to be cast into EVERLASTING FIRE.
Matthew 19:29 And everyone that hath forsaken houses or brethren or sisters or father or mother or wife or children or lands, for My name's sake, shall receive a hundredfold and shall inherit EVERLASTING LIFE.
Matthew 25:41 "Then shall He say also unto them on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, ye cursed, into EVERLASTING FIRE prepared for the devil and his angels...'
Matthew 25:46 And these shall go away into EVERLASTING PUNISHMENT, but the righteous into LIFE ETERNAL.
Luke 18:29-30 And He said unto them, "Verily, verily I say unto you, there is no man that hath left house or parents or brethren or wife or children for the Kingdom of God's sake, Who shall not receive manifold more in this present time, and in the world to come LIFE EVERLASTING."
John 3:16 "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have EVERLASTING LIFE."
John 3:36 "He that believeth in the Son hath EVERLASTING LIFE; and he that believeth not in the Son SHALL NOT SEE LIFE, but the wrath of God abideth on him."
John 4:14 "...but whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into EVERLASTING LIFE."
John 5:24 "Verily, verily I say unto you, he that heareth My Word and believeth in Him that sent Me, hath EVERLASTING LIFE and shall not come into CONDEMNATION but is passed from death unto life."
John 6:27 "Labor not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto EVERLASTING LIFE, which the Son of man shall give unto you; for on Him hath God the Father sent His Son."
John 6:40 "And this is the will of Him that sent Me: that everyone who seeth the Son and believeth in Him may have EVERLASTING LIFE and I will raise him up at the last Day."
John 6:47 "Verily, verily I say unto you, he that believeth on Me hath EVERLASTING LIFE."
John 6:50 And I know that His commandment is LIFE EVERLASTING. Whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto Me, so I speak.
Acts 13:46 Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold and said, "It was necessary that the Word of God should first have been spoken to you. But seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of EVERLASTING LIFE, lo, we turn to the Gentiles.
Romans 6:22 But now, being made free from sin and having become servants of God, ye have your fruit unto holiness and the end EVERLASTING LIFE.
Romans 16:26 but now is made manifest, and by the Scriptures of the prophets according to the commandments of the EVERLASTING God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith...
Galatians 6:8 for he that soweth to his flesh shall also of the flesh reap CORRUPTION; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap EVERLASTING LIFE.
2 Thess. 1:7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with His mighty angels, 1:8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the Gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ. 1:9 "These shall be punished with EVERLASTING DESTRUCTION FROM THE PRESENCE OF THE LORD and FROM THE GLORY OF HIS POWER."
2 Thess. 2:16 "Now may our Lord Jesus Christ Himself, and God even our Father, who hath loved us and hath given us EVERLASTING consolation and good hope through grace, comfort your hearts and establish you in every good word and work."
1 Timothy 1:16 "Nonetheless, for this cause I obtained mercy, that in Me first Jesus Christ show forth all long suffering as a pattern for those who should hereafter believe in Him to LIFE EVERLASTING."
Hebrews 13:20 "Now the God of peace, who brought back from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great Shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the EVERLASTING COVENANT, make you perfect in every good work to do His will, working in you that which is well pleasing in His sight, through Jesus Christ, to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen."
Revelation 14:6 "And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the EVERLASTING GOSPEL to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation and kindred, and tongue and people, saying with a loud voice, "Fear God and give glory to Him. for the hour of His Judgment is come. Worship Him that made heaven and earth, and the sea and the fountains of waters."
Nope....I didn't contradict at all!! And all can see that....Phazelwood!
Yup, the world will see the conclusion.....LOL!!
Better go back and reread some post....Phazelwood! You didn't have to reply or yet be hostile, bitter, resentful to my reply made to Miss Shawn and Fundy's post! Now did ya??? ....
I'm not concerned about it. You and the world fit together well, now that you have explained yourself.
My question for you to consider is this: How do you know your greek dictionary is accurate? In fact the dictionary you are quoting, only shows how the words are translated in the KJV family of bibles, so of course it will say aionios means eternal/forever.
I can show you another dictionary that doesn't translate aion/aionios the same way your dictionary does. In fact that is where the Concordant literal and Young's literal and other bibles come from.
So the question is: How do we know which dictionary is right? Which dictionary did Jesus use?!? LOL of course Jesus didn't use a dictionary.
The real answer is word usage. It can be shown quite easily through word usage that the word aion should only mean age. For example:
BEFORE the aions: I Cor. 2:7
God MAKES the aions: Heb. 1:2
PAST aions: Col. 1:26
PRESENT aion: Gal. 1:4
END of present aion: Mat. 24:3
The NEXT aion: Lk. 18;30
FUTURE aions: Eph. 2:7
CONTRASTING aions: Eph. 3:21
ENDS of the aions: I Cor.10:11
Have you heard of something BEFORE THE FOREVERS? What about FOREVERS plural? Does that make sense? Of course not. It is only talking about an age.
Would it be alright if I made a new thread to continue our conversation, so that I can keep this thread on topic? I'd love to continue discussing with you in a loving manner all these things that seem to separate us...because I know in my heart what separates us isn't something we can't find to unite us in the Word of God, and I would like to examine this with you in a deeper, more meaningful way without being rude or hurtful towards one another....are you game?
I'm not concerned about it. You and the world fit together well, now that you have explained yourself.
Why don't you respect Verna's request Phazelwood?
Get back on topic!!
And have a chocolate chip cookie!!
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O.k...legoman, and everyone...this is what I want to discuss...
LOL of course Jesus didn't use a dictionary.
