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Temptation is not sin. Giving in to the temptation gives birth to the sin. There are overt sins such as stealing, adultery, murder, etc...; there are sins of the tongue such as lying, gossip, maligning,etc,...; there are mental attitude sins such as lust, anger, envy, jealousy, pride, arrogance, etc...
Now an overt sin such as adultery, is preceded by a mental desire to commit the physical act. But just having the thought pop into your head is not a sin. It is only a temptation. The sin is born out of the temptation, when you fail to dismiss the thought, and instead nourish it. Then, whether you actually commit the physical act or not you have committed the sin. But just to have the initial thought come to mind is only temptation. Not sin. Temptation comes from the old sin nature, sin comes from the volitional choice to give into the temptation.
Sing that song to Jesus....he said differently and I'm sticking with him.
Sing that song to Jesus....he said differently and I'm sticking with him.
Your failure to understand the scriptures extends to all areas. I knew you would not make any effort to understand the issue. What I posted is for the benefit of those who do care.
Your failure to understand the scriptures extends to all areas. I knew you would not make any effort to understand the issue. What I posted is for the benefit of those who do care.
Sing that song to Jesus....he said differently and I'm sticking with him.
God created both the man and the woman perfect. Sinless. The woman was tempted by Satan and then ate the fruit. Giving into the temptation gave birth to the sin.
They were perfect? Nothing in scripture says they were perfect.
They were perfect? Nothing in scripture says they were perfect.
Exactly ... If they were perfect they would not have sinned ... But this is just more proof of the unscriptural and thus contradictory false doctrines of the traditions of men which these people espouse as the word of God which is in truth doctrines of devil and the worship of the creature above the creator.
They were perfect? Nothing in scripture says they were perfect.
What God Creates, He creates in a state of perfection. It is because Adam and the woman were in a state of human perfection when created and before they fell, that they were able to have a relationship with God. Sin destroyed their perfection. What the first Adam lost, the second Adam,(Christ) came to restore. Because of the work of Christ on the Cross, when a person makes the decision to believe in Christ for salvation, he becomes positionally sanctified. IF he grows to spiritual maturity, he becomes experientially sanctified. At the resurrection of the body, he becomes ultimately sanctified. In the eternal state, the believer will be in a state of human perfection.
What God Creates, He creates in a state of perfection. It is because Adam and the woman were in a state of human perfection when created and before they fell, that they were able to have a relationship with God. Sin destroyed their perfection. What the first Adam lost, the second Adam,(Christ) came to restore. Because of the work of Christ on the Cross, when a person makes the decision to believe in Christ for salvation, he becomes positionally sanctified. IF he grows to spiritual maturity, he becomes experientially sanctified. At the resurrection of the body, he becomes ultimately sanctified. In the eternal state, the believer will be in a state of human perfection.
This is simply rhetoric with no scriptural support. Like so much of what you write ...
What God Creates, He creates in a state of perfection. It is because Adam and the woman were in a state of human perfection when created and before they fell, that they were able to have a relationship with God. Sin destroyed their perfection. What the first Adam lost, the second Adam,(Christ) came to restore. Because of the work of Christ on the Cross, when a person makes the decision to believe in Christ for salvation, he becomes positionally sanctified. IF he grows to spiritual maturity, he becomes experientially sanctified. At the resurrection of the body, he becomes ultimately sanctified. In the eternal state, the believer will be in a state of human perfection.
No He is creating perfection. You stepping in the middle of the act and proclaiming what is incomplete as being perfect.. If Adam was perfect then he would have been the firstborn and what is perfect is unable to become imperfect. Does this really elude your knowledge Mike? Is this really so hard for you to see? What is perfect is immortal!!!!! Do you realize that immortality means that you cannot become mortalized? Does that not gain any traction in your mind?
11-02-2009, 08:23 PM
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But i disagree ... Because saved is masculine the neuter pronoun cannot point to saved either. The only noun in the sentence that the pronoun "that/this" can be pointing to due to its being neuter is the neuter noun Gift.
So grace, salvation, and faith are all three aspects of the one gift of God, and that must be the reason why Paul used the neuter singular pronoun, so that it cannot be confused that he is referring to any one of the three gendered aspects of the gift by themselves. The neuter pronoun must refer to the neuter noun gift.
Grace, salvation, and faith are all three parts of the one gift of God.
Just like the father, son, and holy spirit are three aspects of the one God.
So it could be worded this way to be more clear ...
"for by grace(feminine) we are saved(masculine) through faith(feminine) ; and not of yourselves: this(neuter singular nominative) gift(neuter) is of God."
which is very close to the literal translation of Young's ...
"for by grace ye are having been saved, through faith, and this(gift) not of you -- of God the gift
antecedent -
Grammar. a word, phrase, or clause, usually a substantive, that is replaced by a pronoun or other substitute later, or occasionally earlier, in the same or in another, usually subsequent, sentence. In Jane lost a glove and she can't find it, Jane is the antecedent of she and glove is the antecedent of it.
Thank You, you just proved my point. Let's use the above translation of Eph.2:8
"for by grace(feminine) we are saved(masculine) through faith(feminine) ; and not of yourselves: this(neuter singular nominative) gift(neuter) is of God."
What does the demonstrative pronoun point too?
a) grace;
b) faith; or
c) the concept of the resultant of the two - SALVATION.
(SALVATION is the implied or unstated'thing' or result of grace and faith - it it the noun concept that the pronoun points too)
It cannot be grace or faith. (As we have already determined)
The demonstrative pronoun 'that' has to point to a singular'thing'. It cannot be both grace and faith which would require the plural'these' or 'those.'
The demonstrative pronoun 'that' is equal to the 'gift' of God. ('that' = 'gift').
The 'gift' is singular. The 'gift' cannot be both grace and faith which would require the plural'gifts.'
The 'gift' is the resultant of grace and faith - that is SALVATION (regeneration/justification/glorification) or as Rom.6:23 says 'For the wages of sin is death but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus.'
Just as 1+2 = 3; so grace + faith = 'that' or 'the gift' or SALVATION or 'eternal life in Christ Jesus.'
This gift is not of works but grace + faith. The passage is not saying that grace and faith are the gift (singular).
This is why Paul always contrasts faith and works because faith is in no way any type of work - it is not in that category.
So when God tells me to have faith and it is in no way a work how dare you rob God of his ordained plan for slavation by grace through faith. If God ordained the means of SALVATION to be through faith who are you to say it robs God of anything or accuse me of earning, adding, or working for my salvation just because I believe or trust in the gospel.
I just take God at His word - which you seem to have a problem with.
See how the truth can be known when we focus. You stumbled onto it without even seeing it.
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