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To imply AT ALL that anyone, ANYONE, irregardless of age or anything else is sick due to a "disobedience to god" is not only completely offensive and disturbing, but as well ignorant and ugly to even suggest. I dare anyone who actually believes this to approach a sickly person, be it a child, adult, or even family member and tell them that. Often I will preface some harsh things I say on here with an apology or some degree of understanding, but for this subject- no way. I stand firm that the topic of this thread is based in pure ugliness and negativity and I think it is terrible for anyone who has lost a loved one to have to even come to realize that there are some people on this planet who lack the sensitivity it takes to refrain for suggesting such notions.
On a side note, to add something positive here, I would like to say that if there is anyone on here who has lost someone close to you due to illness or strife of any kind, my heart goes out to you, and please know that whomever it was who left this earth did so simply because they had already given you and the world all they were able to give, and it was their time to go.
To imply AT ALL that anyone, ANYONE, irregardless of age or anything else is sick due to a "disobedience to god" is not only completely offensive and disturbing, but as well ignorant and ugly to even suggest. I dare anyone who actually believes this to approach a sickly person, be it a child, adult, or even family member and tell them that. Often I will preface some harsh things I say on here with an apology or some degree of understanding, but for this subject- no way. I stand firm that the topic of this thread is based in pure ugliness and negativity and I think it is terrible for anyone who has lost a loved one to have to even come to realize that there are some people on this planet who lack the sensitivity it takes to refrain for suggesting such notions.
On a side note, to add something positive here, I would like to say that if there is anyone on here who has lost someone close to you due to illness or strife of any kind, my heart goes out to you, and please know that whomever it was who left this earth did so simply because they had already given you and the world all they were able to give, and it was their time to go.
I agree 100%. This kind of teaching comes from the occult/New Age/Christian Science, etc. NOT from Christian tradition.
If you read the OP, you'll see that Donna didn't actually say that ALL sickness is caused by sin, but simply that MANY are sick because of disobeying God. (sin) Well, it's true: many are sick because of sin. I don't have a problem with that statement, because I think there is much truth to it.
Example: a young person is promiscuous sexually, then later on comes down with "AIDS", or some other horrible STD. Did their sickness arise because of sin? Yes, it sure did.
Another example: the sin of parents, passed on down to you. (before you poo-poo this concept, read on) My wife has asthma, which is really bad at times. She has to have an "inhaler" on hand at all times, and a "nebulizer" at home, for the more severe attacks. Sometimes she can barely breathe, and, frankly, it's scarey. So...what horriblel sin did she commit, that caused her sickness? NONE! It was no sin of hers. It was the sin of her father, who smoked FOUR packs of cigarettes a day, while she was growing up! Their house was practically always heavily filled with smoke, not a good place for a child with young developing lungs. In those days, not much thought was given to second-hand smoke...but now we see grown-ups paying the price, for what their parents did, so long ago. Is there more to this "sin of the fathers"? IMO: there certainly could be. I think we've only barely scratched the surface on learning what all entails causation of sickness, because I think there are many many causes, and not just sin.
The Bible relates stories of some who were sick due to demonic influence or attack. I have no first-hand experience dealing with this...so won't comment beyond to say that I think there is sometimes a link there too.
Bottem line: there seems to be a definite link between sickness and sin, but not ALL sickness is caused by sin, or even by the sin of the person who is sick...it's a very complex issue.
Sickness is a serious subject, because so many of us here on the forum are struggling with sickness...either us, or our loved ones. Please be in prayer about this common problem...and that some of the replies here will give us insight into understanding this...
I agree as well. The sin of disobedience can bring many nasty consequences to those who live in it.
It amazes me that such primitive concepts still exist! These were the thoughts of the Salem magistrates that killed the supposed witches! Demons everywhere from your sin! Problem is that when the Kupps get sick.. what then? They say they are sinless so I guess either they are wrong now or do sin which causes the sickness. As we age getting sick is inevitable. I wonder if the Kupps ever get immunized.. Demon repellent shots perhaps?
Seems like the logic of this thread leaves no room for empathy toward those who are ill regardless of the cause.
I thought we left such superstitious nonsense behind years ago.. what century are we living in anyway?
It amazes me that such primitive concepts still exist! These were the thoughts of the Salem magistrates that killed the supposed witches! Demons everywhere from your sin! Problem is that when the Kupps get sick.. what then? They say they are sinless so I guess either they are wrong now or do sin which causes the sickness. As we age getting sick is inevitable. I wonder if the Kupps ever get immunized.. Demon repellent shots perhaps?
Seems like the logic of this thread leaves no room for empathy toward those who are ill regardless of the cause.
I thought we left such superstitious nonsense behind years ago.. what century are we living in anyway?
I think you misunderstood what was written by Bud.....he clearly stated that not ALL sickness is caused by sin but some is (Aids, STD, etc.) wouldn't you agree?
I think you misunderstood what was written by Bud.....he clearly stated that not ALL sickness is caused by sin but some is (Aids, STD, etc.) wouldn't you agree?
Death and corruption entered this world through one man, and it is here because our first father sold us into sin and slavery, and the Adam flesh is corrupt, dead, dying, and shall die.
We need Jesus Christ for every breath and every step and every day of our lives. It isn't any longer about us, but about Him.
There is sickness. Its a fact. There is healing, Its a fact. To try to discern why others might be sick and to make general accusations about reasons is hypocrisy and wrong, like Job's "friends". All one needs to know is what their own relationship is with the LORD.
Yes, God judges His people, but one had better be careful to not point fingers, but to examine themselves rather than others.
I do agree with a lot of what Bud has to say but sometimes I also believe in the saying "Only the Good Die Young" My Father died young and he was the most giving, unmaterialistic man....it broke my heart when cancer took him just as he was entering retirement.
I also believe that there is always a reason for why things happen and as strange as it may seem, my life really turned around after my Father's death....I feel he has been able to help me more on the other side than he could here.
I am sorry SisterKat about your father passing so young. Oftentimes I've wondered why this happens. When I was young in the Lord, a wonderful, godly man in our congregation died, at around age 40. He was a Sunday-school teacher, and had a wonderful singing voice. Then, one day, and accident happened, and he died. I wanted to know why...why so young? Why didn't the Lord prevent that? Then I saw this passage:
Isaiah: 57:1
"The righteous perish,
and no one ponders it in his heart;
devout men are taken away,
and no one understands
that the righteous are taken away
to be spared from evil."
God bless you,
Bud
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Demon repellent shots perhaps?
