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View Poll Results: Do you believe God will accomplish his desires?
Yes 21 91.30%
No 2 8.70%
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Old 01-21-2010, 08:13 AM
 
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"God's intention was for David to commit adultery?"Think about what you are saying? God's intention was for David to sin.....................yet God hates when we sin.

I say again. You don't fully understand scripture or God's nature if you make statements like that.
Absolutely it was God's intention that David commit adultery so the promised seed would come through Solomon:

Mat 1:6 now Jesse begets David the king. Now David begets Solomon of the wife of Uriah;

Rom 9:19 You will be protesting to me, then, "Why, then, is He still blaming? for who has withstood His intention?

No one has withstood His intention. Not even you free-willers!
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Old 01-21-2010, 08:19 AM
 
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Absolutely it was God's intention that David commit adultery so the promised seed would come through Solomon:

Mat 1:6 now Jesse begets David the king. Now David begets Solomon of the wife of Uriah;

Rom 9:19 You will be protesting to me, then, "Why, then, is He still blaming? for who has withstood His intention?

No one has withstood His intention. Not even you free-willers!
So the God who hates and abhors sin wants us to sin?
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Old 01-21-2010, 08:21 AM
 
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Absolutely it was God's intention that David commit adultery so the promised seed would come through Solomon:

Mat 1:6 now Jesse begets David the king. Now David begets Solomon of the wife of Uriah;

Rom 9:19 You will be protesting to me, then, "Why, then, is He still blaming? for who has withstood His intention?

No one has withstood His intention. Not even you free-willers!
by the way an accurate translation.

(Romans 9:19)

You will say to me then, "Why does He still find fault? For who resists His will?"
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Old 01-21-2010, 08:30 AM
 
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The theology is not drawn from simple passages or texts, but from the experience and message of the cross - a message that isn't given from the pulpit today, sadly. As God burns out the carnal nature from his children through the application of the cross in our lives, we die; everything that our faith, strength and hope was built upon He tears down - if you've truly embraced the work of the cross, you'll know what I'm saying - and new life (His life) is the only thing left standing.

It's this realization that He kills to make alive - and that nothing is "too dead" that He can't breathe life into it - that makes the scriptures jump at you...my friend, He is God.

But until we see it experientially, it won't resonate with you.
God can desire all be saved, but not ordain that all are by making provision in His plan for their damnation. All I am saying is God is not bound by His desires.
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Old 01-21-2010, 08:31 AM
 
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God can desire all be saved, but not ordain that all are by making provision in His plan for their damnation. All I am saying is God is not bound by His desires.
^^^^
You talk about bad theology, but this (the above) is bad theology. You make God out to be illogical and contradictory and they say its a paradox.


"God really really really desires to save all, but He's just not gonna do it..." well gee, I guess He didn't really desire to save all, now did He?
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Old 01-21-2010, 08:34 AM
 
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So the God who hates and abhors sin wants us to sin?
How many times in history has (what we consider to be) sin led to a glorious victory by the Lord?

The Fall/Calvary

Moses

Solomon's birth

Joseph's rise in Egypt

Those are just off the top of my head...
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Old 01-21-2010, 08:34 AM
 
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So the God who hates and abhors sin wants us to sin?
You do speak with a forked tongue Fundy. Why the doublespeak? Must I remind you what you yourself just said not more than two hours ago?!?:

Fundamentalist said:
"God causes some of the very things we believe He does not want. "
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Old 01-21-2010, 08:38 AM
 
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We see now through a glass dimly...

It's our view that God uses the actions of man, and turns them to His desired end, right?
I know that but this thread is basically saying.

that God doesn't want us to sin and yet we do what He desires not to do in order to do what He desires for us to do?
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Old 01-21-2010, 08:39 AM
 
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How many times in history has (what we consider to be) sin led to a glorious victory by the Lord?

The Fall/Calvary

Moses

Solomon's birth

Joseph's rise in Egypt

Those are just off the top of my head...
So God WANTS us to sin?
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Old 01-21-2010, 08:41 AM
 
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You do speak with a forked tongue Fundy. Why the doublespeak? Must I remind you what you yourself just said not more than two hours ago?!?:

Fundamentalist said:
"God causes some of the very things we believe He does not want. "
Yes CAUSES...God in his sovereign will allows the opportunity for sin but He doesn't make us sin?
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