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Pcamps using your abstract argument it just means God loves the Jews only eternally
And what about:
36 “Only if these decrees vanish from my sight,”
declares the Lord,
“will the descendants of Israel ever cease
to be a nation before me.”
Did the decrees vanish?
37 This is what the Lord says:
“Only if the heavens above can be measured
and the foundations of the earth below be searched out
will I reject all the descendants of Israel
because of all they have done,”
declares the Lord.
I think that means NO....
So even with all that they have done... God will not reject the descendants of Israel...
Pcamp I know you think I am a tyrant, a cold self righteous zealot who only wants myself to be saved. maybe I am but I have friends and family going to hell too which is why the other day I witnessed for the first time to my favourite cousin, he shrugged it off. I pray that God grows that seed inisde of Him.
Now to get back to your question. God does love His people but you can't overshadow His entire nature with love. God is love but His love encompasses mercy, grace, kindness, jealousy, judgment and wrath. God shows His love and mercy to the sinner by bestowing wonderful weather on him, money in his pocket, full belly and all the while blasheming His name but that God will also have to show His just side and wrath. He respects their choice enough to allow them to sin their way right to hell.
The question remains is it eternal or temporary. I see nothing to convince that it isn't temporary because if hell isn't eternal then heaven isn't either.
Fundy you have come nowhere near to answering the question
You do believe everlasting means eternity right ?
So if it is, those jews who go to eternal torment for not accepting the Messiah according to your translation/interpretation of the word are still being loved by God while they are frying(regardless of whether you believe it's temporal or eternal) .
Fundy you have come nowhere near to answering the question
You do believe everlasting means eternity right ?
So if it is, those jews who go to eternal torment for not accepting the Messiah according to your translation/interpretation of the word are still being loved by God while they are frying(regardless of whether you believe it's temporal or eternal) .
I did answer your question but you are so consumed with God's love that you have tunnel vision. This has nothing to do with accepting the messiah...please get that out of your memeory banks because that is incorrect. we go to hell because we sin.
I don't know what's in God's head. I believe God loves everyone Pcamps but He doesn't love us all the time. God doesn't love us all teh time (24-7) even the believers when we are sinning. Do you actually think God's loves a believer who is looking at porno for hours on end? No. How can He as He loves unrighteousness? but God does have an eternal love for that believer looking at porn because of what Jesus did on the cross by allowing them to repent of their unrighteousness not the same type of love. and if an unrigheous person doesn't repent well then they will suffer the consequence because God must punish sin.
You are connecting two things that do not connect in your question. God has eternal love therefore universal salvation and hell is not eternal. That is abstract at best.
I did answer your question but you are so consumed with God's love that you have tunnel vision. This has nothing to do with accepting the messiah...please get that out of your memeory banks because that is incorrect. we go to hell because we sin.
I don't know what's in God's head. I believe God loves everyone Pcamps but He doesn't love us all the time. God doesn't love us all teh time (24-7) even the believers when we are sinning. Do you actually think God's loves a believer who is looking at porno for hours on end? No. How can He as He loves unrighteousness? but God does have an eternal love for that believer looking at porn because of what Jesus did on the cross by allowing them to repent of their unrighteousness not the same type of love. and if an unrigheous person doesn't repent well then they will suffer the consequence because God must punish sin.
You are connecting two things that do not connect in your question. God has eternal love therefore universal salvation and hell is not eternal. That is abstract at best.
Fundy first of all we go to eternal torment according to fundy's for rejecting Jesus.
I'm sorry if i speak of God's love to much for your liking
And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.1 Cor 13 verse 13
Maybe you should tear this chapter out of the bible.
There is no getting around it you Fundy's believe everlasting means eternity
So according to this scripture God loves those in eternal hell if everlasting means eternal has you fundy's tell us .
“I have loved you with an everlasting love;
I have drawn you with loving-kindness. Jeremiah 31 verse 3
You should really be careful with the OT in comparing them to us.
I'm not comparing fundy, i am asking if everlasting means eternal , do you agree according to Jeremiah 31 verse 3 that God still loves all the unbelieving sinners of Israel who died in their sin for not believing in Jesus while they are frying in eternal torment ? , because thiis scripture suggest He does if you fundy's are right and everlasting means eternal
I'm not comparing fundy, i am asking if everlasting means eternal , do you agree according to Jeremiah 31 verse 3 that God still loves all the unbelieving sinners of Israel who died in their sin for not believing in Jesus while they are frying in eternal torment ? , because thiis scripture suggest He does if you fundy's are right and everlasting means eternal
ok Pcamps let me be clearer.....The bible means what it says, He loves eternally. I don't know what exactly that means. I don't even understand how God loves us unrighteous folk when He can't love unrighteousness but He does, you have an interesting verse there that I really can't answer fully.....Could God love people eternally in hell? I don't know maybe, again I don't understand all of God's ways. It could be entirely possible He does since I don't see anything in scripture to say otherwise BUT just because He loves everyone eternally doesn't mean all are saved. That is an abstract way of practicing theology, you piece together verses in an abstract manner furthermore using an old testament verse to show all are saved.
Pcamps the verse just says God loves eternally, it doesn't say all are saved. That is bad theology, you are reading more into something that isn't there.
ok Pcamps let me be clearer.....The bible means what it says, He loves eternally. I don't know what exactly that means. I don't even understand how God loves us unrighteous folk when He can't love unrighteousness but He does, you have an interesting verse there that I really can't answer fully.....Could God love people eternally in hell? I don't know maybe, again I don't understand all of God's ways. It could be entirely possible He does since I don't see anything in scripture to say otherwise BUT just because He loves everyone eternally doesn't mean all are saved. That is an abstract way of practicing theology, you piece together verses in an abstract manner furthermore using an old testament verse to show all are saved.
Pcamps the verse just says God loves eternally, it doesn't say all are saved. That is bad theology, you are reading more into something that isn't there.
Fundy i am not trying to justify all being saved , i am using the way fundy's use the word everlasting to mean eternal to prove how farcical it is to believe it means eternity in the light of Jeremiah 31 verse 3.
Do you actually think God's loves a believer who is looking at porno for hours on end? No. How can He as He loves unrighteousness?
God IS love.. how can love not love even for a moment? and YES God sits there watching the porno watching believer and loves them. The same kind of love we have for our children when they are doing something bad.. We wish they wouldn't hurt themselves like that. We wish we could save them from it. In God's case, He can and does. IMO
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but God does have an eternal love for that believer looking at porn because of what Jesus did on the cross by allowing them to repent of their unrighteousness not the same type of love. and if an unrigheous person doesn't repent well then they will suffer the consequence because God must punish sin.
Repentance leads to a behavioral change. If God judges the heart and not (only) the behavior then does repentance (behavioral change) influence salvation? Wouldn't that be considered work?
What do you make of this scripture:
Romans 4:5 However, to the man who does not work but trusts God who justifies the wicked, his faith is credited as righteousness.
Your understanding of love is a humanistic love. God is love and God does not impose death on man or sentence man to death, God does not punitely send men to hell "for He is not willing that any should perish". God respects man's free will of choice to the extent that He allows man the continuation of his or her sinning and the consequence of that choice.
We only have ourselves to blame if we continue sinning just like Israel.
You hit the nail on the head . . . I said in another post in another thread, we cannot put God in a humanistic box . . . . we need to be led by His Spirit when we are reading His Word, which is inspired . . . . I am not an ETer, but I do not believe all will be saved . . . as I grow in my walk, I have learned more and more that although UR would be my "favorite" interpretation, it clearly is not what Jesus taught . . . at all.
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I said in another post in another thread, we cannot put God in a humanistic box . . . . we need to be led by His Spirit when we are reading His Word, which is inspired . . . . I am not an ETer, but I do not believe all will be saved . . . as I grow in my walk, I have learned more and more that although UR would be my "favorite" interpretation, it clearly is not what Jesus taught . . . at all.
