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Exactly so what makes you think that the rest of the lost will not become believers if that is Christ's goal? Does he reach his goal or does he just leave the lost to help the believer when he clearly did not come for the believer but for the lost. You are saying that the lost are forever lost but you yourself recognize that the believer was lost first.. yet that believer was not lost forever... so what event, in your mind, makes the believer NOT LOST forever and the LOST lost forever?
We all, like sheep, have gone astray,
each of us has turned to his own way;
and the LORD has laid on him
the iniquity of us all.
32So they went away by themselves in a boat to a solitary place. 33But many who saw them leaving recognized them and ran on foot from all the towns and got there ahead of them. 34When Jesus landed and saw a large crowd, he had compassion on them, because they were like sheep without a shepherd. So he began teaching them many things.
I believe there were folk from every walk of life there at this gathering and Jesus met them with compassion , just like the Good Shepherd that He is.
Yep, I do, but unfortunately people are blinded and do not want the truth. God doesn't force anything on us. He doesn't want us to sin, yet lets us. He doesn't want us to go to hell, yet lets us. It just a prayer.
But there is no such thing as hell. There a good deeds and there are bad deeds and there is liberation. Not hell.
Correction: The bible translators say otherwise. The original language says nothing of a burning place of torture for humans...
Do a bible search on hades, sheol, tartaroo, and gehenna... all you will find are dark places were the dead are, a valley where children were sacrificed to other gods....
When they wrote those 4 words they did not picture the "hell" you picture (fiery torture forever for sinners).
Paul tells us God will have all people to be saved and come to a knowledge of the truth in as many words. Sciotamicks tells us that god will not have all people to be saved and come to a knowledge of the truth, but that Paul is simply making a vain prayer which will never be affirmed.
Paul tells us God is the savior of all people especially those that believe, while sciotamicks tells us that God is not the savior of all people, but only of those that believe. I believe that i know which one is teaching a false gospel. Do you? ... They are certainly different Gospels ...
Paul tells us God will have all people to be saved and come to a knowledge of the truth in as many words. Sciotamicks tells us that god will not have all people to be saved and come to a knowledge of the truth, but that Paul is simply making a vain prayer which will never be affirmed.
Paul tells us God is the savior of all people especially those that believe, while sciotamicks tells us that God is not the savior of all people, but only of those that believe. I believe that i know which one is teaching a false gospel. Do you? ... They are certainly different Gospels ...
Mark 16:16 Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.
John 3:15 that everyone who believes in him may have eternal life.
John 3:18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God's one and only Son.
John 3:36 Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God's wrath remains on him."
Sciomatics is repeating what Jesus said.
John 12:48 There is a judge for the one who rejects me and does not accept my words; that very word which I spoke will condemn him at the last day.
Mark 16:16 Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.
John 3:15 that everyone who believes in him may have eternal life.
John 3:18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God's one and only Son.
John 3:36 Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God's wrath remains on him."
Sciomatics is repeating what Jesus said.
John 12:48 There is a judge for the one who rejects me and does not accept my words; that very word which I spoke will condemn him at the last day.
Sciotamicks is speaking of Pauls words in the OP, not the words of Christ. I believe your interpretation of Christ words are in error ...
All the verses above is in reference to the Israelites ... They were killed or dispersed throughout the nations in AD 70 in direct fulfillment of Christs words in the verses you quoted above.
And the word condemned in the verses above is "krino", to be judged or seperated. I see you choose a translation which translates it as condemn. The works of all people will be judged, tried by the fire. Those whose works are burned up will be saved, as passing through the fire.
John 12 verse 48 should read "judge him' instead of "condemn him" , which puts a whole different perspective on what Jesus said .
God did not condemn man he condemned sin in the flesh
For what the law was powerless to do in that it was weakened by the sinful nature, God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful man to be a sin offering. And so he condemned sin in sinful man.Romans 8
He condemned the very thing that was condemning sinful man
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