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When I ask eternal hell believers about being happy in heaven while their lost loved ones (friends, mom, son, father, wife, brother, daughter, grand kids, co-workers *insert relation*) are being tormented for endless eons they (generally) answer "The former things are passed away - I won't even remember them".
Which begs the question, why? If it's good and right and just and holy and pure that they are there, what's the problem with remembering? It's what they really wanted (I am told), right?
So you won't remember them and you won't care? I don't get it.. what will happen when you are in heaven while your loved ones are in hell?
Your error is that you believe that you will be the same person you are now with the same identity...your mind is not like Gods...If you saw Sodom and Gommora yourself would you be filled with righteous anger and destroy them (men, women, children and animals)?...God did...are we not supposed to renew our minds and conform our minds to Gods way of thinking instead of conforming God to our image and realities?...
Your error is that you believe that you will be the same person you are now with the same identity...your mind is not like Gods...If you saw Sodom and Gommora yourself would you be filled with righteous anger and destroy them (men, women, children and animals)?...God did...are we not supposed to renew our minds and conform our minds to Gods way of thinking instead of conforming God to our image and realities?...
Sounds plausible but then if we don't remember this life we live now... what is the purpose of paying for sins we commit in this life for eternity in the next?
If you don't remember your loved ones then how can you remember the sins you committed against them in order to be punished for them?
Either you remember your sins and loved ones in the next life and that is why you are burned for eternity (for sins) or you don't remember your sins and loved ones and can't rightly be punished for them.
What good would it do to be punished for sins you don't remember because you are dead?
Or is it that you think God will punish people for sins they have no knowledge of as well?
I just see that it can't be both ways. And if you DO remember your sins and are punished then your loved ones who are in heaven get to remember YOU and know that you are burning as they enjoy heaven.
So tell me which is it? Do you know your loved ones are burning in hell while you sit in heaven or do you know nothing and thus those burning in hell are just being tortured in ignorance of what they did to deserve it?
So tell me which is it? Do you know your loved ones are burning in hell while you sit in heaven or do you know nothing and thus those burning in hell are just being tortured in ignorance of what they did to deserve it?
Why are you comparing the righteous and wicked in this state equally?
You are comparing what the righteous will think and feel, and what the wicked will think and feel, as two equally just delegated consciousnesses.
These are two very different states of being.
One is reward, the other is punishment.
Sounds plausible but then if we don't remember this life we live now... what is the purpose of paying for sins we commit in this life for eternity in the next?
If you don't remember your loved ones then how can you remember the sins you committed against them in order to be punished for them?
Either you remember your sins and loved ones in the next life and that is why you are burned for eternity (for sins) or you don't remember your sins and loved ones and can't rightly be punished for them.
What good would it do to be punished for sins you don't remember because you are dead?
Or is it that you think God will punish people for sins they have no knowledge of as well?
I just see that it can't be both ways. And if you DO remember your sins and are punished then your loved ones who are in heaven get to remember YOU and know that you are burning as they enjoy heaven.
So tell me which is it? Do you know your loved ones are burning in hell while you sit in heaven or do you know nothing and thus those burning in hell are just being tortured in ignorance of what they did to deserve it?
your problem is you do not realize that Christ already paid for your sins...it is through faith in him that you do not have to pay for your sins yourself...
your problem is you do not realize that Christ already paid for your sins...it is through faith in him that you do not have to pay for your sins yourself...
Just keep denying it FB, it is totally your choice.....
What? You don't agree with my last comments? You don't think it's amazing that everyone (according to your belief) clearly understands the pros and cons and most freely choose to be in eternal pain and agony? You don't think it's a crazy/dumb choice?
I would think you would seize the opportunity to expound on your views. I wish folks in this thread would be willing to discuss these things instead of trying to turn it into a UR vs. ET thread.
Last edited by firstborn888; 04-08-2010 at 04:34 PM..
Yes it is a dumb choice! But some refuse to even believe there is a God and you know how some refuse to believe the truth about eternal hell. But God is powerful enough and fair and just and He is capable of giving EVERYONE understanding, but they can still deny it.
Actually, it's not only dumb - it seems like complete insanity. Why would anyone who clearly understood the pros and cons choose eternal unceasing agony over eternal bliss? Wow, If Latte' Chic's views are true about everyone being personally shown by God what the options are before they die it's just - shocking. Stunning.
your problem is you do not realize that Christ already paid for your sins...it is through faith in him that you do not have to pay for your sins yourself...
I go beyond believing it for myself... I believe it is true for everyone else too!
I go beyond believing it for myself... I believe it is true for everyone else too!
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I go beyond believing it for myself... I believe it is true for everyone else too! 
