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The flesh, otherwise known as the sin nature, is what is judged. A person without Christ does not have the spirit, because he is dead in sin, and that sin nature is judged according to the flesh. It is those in service of Christ, those of whom that believe in Him, will be judged according to their spirit - their faith in Christ. One cannot have their sins purged from their spirit, and be clean, in the spirit, if they were already dead and had neither resurrected in Christ's spirit or soul to begin. They have no spirit, they are not resurrected in Christ.
At post mortem, once dead in the flesh, their chance at spirit life, was never theirs in the first place, because they did not believe in Christ, while they were in the flesh, hence the doctrine of post mortem salvation is errored.
There have been a lot of comments about "chance" on this forum. Salvation is not of chance, it is a complete work of God. Belief in Christ brings life, so believers never die spiritually. Sin brings death, so non-believers do die spiritually, but after they are resurrected from the dead, they are judged, they take part in the second death and are corrected by fire as their sins burn away (symbolically), and then death is destroyed. Jesus is victorious and God's creation plan is fulfilled.
1 Corinthians 3:15: "If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire."
1 Corinthians 15:
20 But now Christ is risen from the dead, and has become the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. 21 For since by man came death, by Man also came the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive. 23 But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ’s at His coming. 24 Then comes the end, when He delivers the kingdom to God the Father, when He puts an end to all rule and all authority and power. 25 For He must reign till He has put all enemies under His feet. 26The last enemy that will be destroyed is death.
Yet the mindset today is not as it was back when the New Testament was written. I wager there are more Christians removed from religion as there are open believers. Silent witnesses so to speak. Reincarnated souls who have white robes.
That's great! You know what they say: "Birds of a feather flocks together!!" However, there's some that still desire to hear the words of God, the whole truth, nothing but.. without any additives and URservatives excuse me, I meant preservatives thrown in!
You are bang on Betsey Tis is why we stay together to spread the Good News as we do believe in the Word that Jesus spoke of and so many of us are peeling away the additives so the "Word" can be seen for what it really is. It is the most wonderful thing - do you not agree ?
Jesus told us to focus on what is most important - that's what I do and it has changed my life. So many desire to hear the truth and I think it is absolutely fantastic that so many UR's are on this forum just telling it like it is! God is Love. He Loves us and not 1 of is will burn in Hell for all eternity ! Praise God!
Sin brings death, so non-believers do die spiritually, but after they are resurrected from the dead, they are judged, they take part in the second death and are corrected by fire as their sins burn away (symbolically), and then death is destroyed.
1 Corinthians 3:15: "If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire."
1 Cor 3 is about believers and their work on earth being judged, notably, the Corinthian congregation, and for any other believer that is interested in how their work on earth is judged, specifically, the teachers of the faithin the context of this chapter....he who seems to be wise must become a fool that he may be wise - v 18 - Therefore let no man glory in men v. 21
Psa 25:9 The meek will he guide in judgment: and the meek will he teach his way.
Matthew Henry on 1 Cor 3: The ministry is a very useful and very gracious institution, and faithful ministers are a great blessing to any people; yet the follyand weakness of people may do much mischief by what is in itself a blessing. All faithful ministers are serving one Lord and pursuing one purpose. They were appointed of Christ, for the common benefit of the church: "Paul, and Apollos, and Cephas, are all yours. One is not to be set up against another, but all are to be valued and used for your own spiritual benefit.’’
Departing from that is sheer scriptural suicide.
Do you have anything else to support the "correction" period?
Mankind is dead without Christ. He does not a have a living soul.
It takes Christ to "become alive". Without Christ, "you are dead."
Rom 6:11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
The entire premise of Revelation 20 is the contrast of resurrection and death. The saints are resurrected, those not, are sentenced to die a second time. The premise of Revelation 21 consists only of "no more Death and Sea" in the confines of the New Jerusalem. These are those "in Christ", and they are "His People", in which the same are contrasted with the "idolators, sorcerers etc partake in the second death". In this wonderful government of he New Heavens and Earth uner Christ, there is still sin, idolatry, sorcery, etc, outside the city gates, so the premise of there being "No More Death" for all kind, is in error.
The text alone will tell you that.
In this wonderful government of he New Heavens and Earth uner Christ, there is still sin, idolatry, sorcery, etc, outside the city gates, so the premise of there being "No More Death" for all kind, is in error.
The text alone will tell you that.
reductionism and a non Hebrew paradigm. The text says what it says in a manner that could be comprehended by folks two thousand years ago. We had to get form point Alpha to point Omega and more than once because of prophetical revision in heaven itself. Revelation is useless without the Old Testament and Hebrew Context.
I counsel you to buy from me gold refined by fire, that you may become rich; and white garments, that you may clothe yourself, and that the shame of your nakedness may not be revealed; and eye salve to anoint your eyes, that you may see. Rev 3:18 Gold is from the books of the prophets and the Egyptian word for Gold and Lord is related to the Hebrew word for Prophet .
1 Cor 3 is about believers and their work on earth being judged, notably, the Corinthian congregation, and for any other believer that is interested in how their work on earth is judged, specifically, the teachers of the faithin the context of this chapter....he who seems to be wise must become a fool that he may be wise - v 18 - Therefore let no man glory in men v. 21
Seems like a K.I.S.S. command to me...
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Mankind is dead without Christ. He does not a have a living soul.
What is your definition of "living soul?"
To me it means a person. For example: No living soul could have survived that crash. I don't understand. How can a person not have a spirit? What is your definition of spirit?
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It takes Christ to "become alive". Without Christ, "you are dead."
DEAD UNTO SIN = Alive unto Christ
Not dead without Christ but certainly more alive with him...
I think one starts to wonder why some(not all, but some) fight so hard against that ONE being saved. Who is this "one" in their mind? What does this "one" represent to them. That they can't bear thinking about being saved...
???
It's that ONE that they think does not DESERVE mercy. Clearly, some people think that they DESERVE mercy and others do not.
A living soul is only possible with Christ. You must believe, otherwise you are dead....no life. If any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of His. And if Christ [be] in you, the body [is] dead because of sin; but the Spirit [is] life because of righteousness. But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spiritthat dwelleth in you. Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh. For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live. Romans 8:9-13
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Tis is why we stay together to spread the Good News as we do believe in the Word that Jesus spoke of and so many of us are peeling away the additives so the "Word" can be seen for what it really is. It is the most wonderful thing - do you not agree ?
