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Please show me where in scripture it is God's Law that only God in Human form is an acceptable sacrifice for sins.
In fact, show me where a human sacrifice is demanded at all!
Also... while you are at it. Please show me where it is said that God wants sacrifice for atonement of sins.
God had a plan.. that much is clear. Was his plan to send himself as a human so he could die for the sins of humans as a sacrifice to himself?
Or was his plan to send himself to earth to demand holiness and choices?
If the bible is clear that Jesus is God then why weren't the apostles more reverent to him? After all he is GOD! and why did they become disappointed when Jesus died... didn't they know that God cannot die? Furthermore if Jesus died and took on the incorruptible how (if he is God) would we also take on that incorruptible form since we are not God-man?
Please show me where in scripture it is God's Law that only God in Human form is an acceptable sacrifice for sins.
In fact, show me where a human sacrifice is demanded at all!
Also... while you are at it. Please show me where it is said that God wants sacrifice for atonement of sins.
God had a plan.. that much is clear. Was his plan to send himself as a human so he could die for the sins of humans as a sacrifice to himself?
Or was his plan to send himself to earth to demand holiness and choices?
If the bible is clear that Jesus is God then why weren't the apostles more reverent to him? After all he is GOD! and why did they become disappointed when Jesus died... didn't they know that God cannot die? Furthermore if Jesus died and took on the incorruptible how (if he is God) would we also take on that incorruptible form since we are not God-man?
Lots of questions and so little time!
Good questions!
I think sometimes we get so caught up on sin (how much, what kind, with whom, how bad, willed or unwilled....) that we lose sight of the fact that God is mysterious. He can do whatever He wants, He is bound by nothing, He is the Lord of Lords and the Only Almighty. He answers to no one, and no one can understand His doings.
Yet we have Him in our little doctrines, and we limit Him when in fact we ALL totally depend on Him, and without Him there is no life at all.
Sometimes religion can blind. The Jews were blind to God in the flesh, and Christians are not immune to this either.
if God is not bound bye anything,and limitless,then He wouldnt have taken on a material body which has limits and is bound bye the modes of nature,IMHO-im dont think jesus was the Supreme Personality,who is boundless and limitless-having no limits also means he has an unlimited amount of forms,but Jesus was subjected to the modes of nature and felt pain too,i think,or maybe He was prtected bye God and didnt feel a thing
Please show me where in scripture it is God's Law that only God in Human form is an acceptable sacrifice for sins.
In fact, show me where a human sacrifice is demanded at all!
Also... while you are at it. Please show me where it is said that God wants sacrifice for atonement of sins.
God had a plan.. that much is clear. Was his plan to send himself as a human so he could die for the sins of humans as a sacrifice to himself?
Or was his plan to send himself to earth to demand holiness and choices?
Read Hebrews 9 and 10
Heb. 10:10-12 - By this will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. 11 Every priest stands daily ministering and offering time after time the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins; 12 but He, having offered one sacrifice for sins for all time, SAT DOWN AT THE RIGHT HAND OF GOD,
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If the bible is clear that Jesus is God then why weren't the apostles more reverent to him? After all he is GOD! and why did they become disappointed when Jesus died... didn't they know that God cannot die? Furthermore if Jesus died and took on the incorruptible how (if he is God) would we also take on that incorruptible form since we are not God-man?
Lots of questions and so little time!
The apostles didn't really "get it" until they received the Spirit in themselves in Acts 2. Before then they never totally understood. They said they did, but they didn't - and Christ knew that already.
if God is not bound bye anything,and limitless,then He wouldnt have taken on a material body which has limits and is bound bye the modes of nature,IMHO-im dont think jesus was the Supreme Personality,who is boundless and limitless-having no limits also means he has an unlimited amount of forms,but Jesus was subjected to the modes of nature and felt pain too,i think,or maybe He was prtected bye God and didnt feel a thing
Yes that is what I am saying.. why would God denounce the flesh and then become flesh? The flesh then would simply be a costume. Was Jesus a costume or did he have his own wants, needs, and feelings?
Heb. 10:10-12 - By this will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. 11 Every priest stands daily ministering and offering time after time the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins; 12 but He, having offered one sacrifice for sins for all time, SAT DOWN AT THE RIGHT HAND OF GOD,
So do you believe that Christ is sacrificed again and again every time someone 'decides' to get saved? I would hope not! The point was that sin was paid for by ONE death ONCE AND FOR ALL... yet you are saying it is for some and not others.
And you capped the last statement... So not only did God sacrifice himself to himself but afterward he sat down beside himself as well...
If I were God listening to this, I would be BESIDE MYSELF TOO!
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The apostles didn't really "get it" until they received the Spirit in themselves in Acts 2. Before then they never totally understood. They said they did, but they didn't - and Christ knew that already.
Incorruptible? Read 1 Cor. 15:35-58.
Yet it is extremely clear in John that Christ is God... right? Yet those who HEARD this before it was written down didn't get it? They didn't know that they were speaking to God himself in human form? How did they miss that?
Perhaps because they would have stoned Christ themselves if he had claimed to be God in the flesh? It was not part of their culture to entertain the idea of God becoming human.
God IS incorruptible by nature and definition! How then does it make sense that the flesh he inhabited was corruptible? How could he have taken on corruption as God? What is the point?
What is the point God is trying to make in sacrificing himself to himself so that he can sit beside himself?
Other questions keep coming to mind. But I wanted to also thank you because you seem to be willing to answer these questions. So Thanks!
Yes that is what I am saying.. why would God denounce the flesh and then become flesh? The flesh then would simply be a costume. Was Jesus a costume or did he have his own wants, needs, and feelings?
Yet it is extremely clear in John that Christ is God... right? Yet those who HEARD this before it was written down didn't get it? They didn't know that they were speaking to God himself in human form? How did they miss that?
Perhaps because they would have stoned Christ themselves if he had claimed to be God in the flesh? It was not part of their culture to entertain the idea of God becoming human.
God IS incorruptible by nature and definition! How then does it make sense that the flesh he inhabited was corruptible? How could he have taken on corruption as God? What is the point?
What is the point God is trying to make in sacrificing himself to himself so that he can sit beside himself?
Other questions keep coming to mind. But I wanted to also thank you because you seem to be willing to answer these questions. So Thanks!
What do you not understand?!
John 20:27-29 "Then he said to Thomas, "Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe." Thomas answered and said unto him, "My Lord and my God!"
Jesus saith unto him, "Because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed."
David (who was not God) said the same thing:
Psalm 40:8 I desire to do your will, O my God; your law is within my heart."
Psalm 37:31 The law of his God is in his heart; His steps do not slip.
God didn't need to inhabit a body in order for the body to do his will. That was my point.
Did Jesus have a favorite color? food? Song ?
I cannot find one reason, in scripture, for God to come down as a human.
I do not deny that Jesus came in the flesh. That would be the anti-Christ spirit. Basically saying that we have no Savior that can redeem us from the dead. No hope, pretty much, which can do an awful lot of damage to people's souls. Without hope the people perish (old testament verse).
So, whether he was part of some trinity, or just some kind of entity that God's spirit rested on to save the world, I don't know. I do not believe that he was just some guy out to show some love. I think the Jews were extremely angry for a reason (spiritual reasons, mostly).
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