is Cincinnati more progressive than people realize? (Cleveland, Lakewood: house, neighborhood)

[skippercollector]

In August we bought tickets for the Playhouse in the Park production of "High," starring Kathleen Turner. It was only after we had purchased the tickets that the promotions began to say that no one under the age of 18 would be admitted to the play. When the play opened there were a few articles that mentioned there was nudity in the show, but there weren't any specifics given.
It wasn't until we saw the play that I realized that it was very R-rated. The young man in the play took off everything for a few minutes. Don't misunderstand me--we weren't upset at all and we thought that "High" was very good, but very sad.
There were no complaints about this situation in the media from the public. As far as I know, our BFFs Simon Leis and Phil Burress didn't even know about it. I don't know if Playhouse was just wise enough to keep its mouth shut and not advertise the nudity, or if the local media, politicians and prudes just had matured enough to not bother themselves with complaints. Either way, I was glad!

[motorman]

Cincy-Rise, considering that Cleveland has invested so heavily in recent large-scale projects, don't their investments not only rival, but actually surpass those in Cincinnati?

[austiNati]

Originally Posted by motorman

Cincy-Rise, considering that Cleveland has invested so heavily in recent large-scale projects, don't their investments not only rival, but actually surpass those in Cincinnati?

I'm actually interested in seeing what Cleveland has going on. Based on what my friend tells me, not much has changed in the past 5 years since I've been there. Are there any particular sites where I can view what projects they have going on?

Cincy has had some major upgrades and is still undergoing many more.
- New skyscraper
- New downtown neighborhood (The Banks)
- Street car phase 1
- Uptown construction (apartments and hotels)
- CPS upgrades
- Re-developing our sewage system
- Over the Rhine/ Pendelton redevelopment
- new downtown casino

I'd say Cincy and St. Louis are going hard in the paint. I hope Cleveland's doing the same because it has mass potential.

[Traveler87]

Originally Posted by austiNati

I'm actually interested in seeing what Cleveland has going on. Based on what my friend tells me, not much has changed in the past 5 years since I've been there. Are there any particular sites where I can view what projects they have going on?

Cincy has had some major upgrades and is still undergoing many more.
- New skyscraper
- New downtown neighborhood (The Banks)
- Street car phase 1
- Uptown construction (apartments and hotels)
- CPS upgrades
- Re-developing our sewage system
- Over the Rhine/ Pendelton redevelopment
- new downtown casino

I'd say Cincy and St. Louis are going hard in the paint. I hope Cleveland's doing the same because it has mass potential.

I think Cincinnati is ahead of St. Louis. Cleveland as well, but Cleveland is really picking up steam. In fact construction started today on our new convention center and medical mart.

If you want to check out Cleveland development, check out UrbanOhio.Com and if you visit the Cleveland sub-forum, some members have posted extensive details on a lot of Cleveland's developmts. It is a very very informative thread about what Cleveland is doing. 2011 is going to be an exciting year in Cleveland development.

In my opinion though, Cincinnati is doing more. And I would bet Cincy-Rise is right, Cincinnati probaly has the most development going on in the Midwest outside of Chicago. I just hope they can keep it going.

[progmac]

I think Cleveland is really holding its own considering how hard the manufacturing bust hit and continues to hit up there. I think as soon as it gets itself stabilized, it will really take off. They have a more favorable political landscape for urban development once the money/economy is there, don't you think?

[Traveler87]

Originally Posted by progmac

I think Cleveland is really holding its own considering how hard the manufacturing bust hit and continues to hit up there. I think as soon as it gets itself stabilized, it will really take off. They have a more favorable political landscape for urban development once the money/economy is there, don't you think?

True, and I think we are pretty stable. Our unemployment rate is below the national average, and we are seeing a huge transition to a medical based economcy. Our economy is quite diverse these days. I really look forward to future development in the city. Our downtown already has major developments that have been planned due to start construction in a few weeks. The Flats East Bank, Convention Center and Medical Mart, the Casino, the new Ernst and Young highrise, Playhouse Square, and Cleveland State University. As well as other areas of the city where you see construction cranes everywhere like University Circle, and the new neighborhood transformations of Tremont, Ohio City, and Little Italy.

I really like what is happening in Cincinnati. One of the most exciting cities to watch in the country right now. I just wished Cincy appreciated new forms of transporation more. Can you imagine all the possibilites that would be at Cincy's doorsteps with new transportation options.

[Nomomo11]

Originally Posted by Traveler87

True, and I think we are pretty stable. Our unemployment rate is below the national average, and we are seeing a huge transition to a medical based economcy. Our economy is quite diverse these days. I really look forward to future development in the city. Our downtown already has major developments that have been planned due to start construction in a few weeks. The Flats East Bank, Convention Center and Medical Mart, the Casino, the new Ernst and Young highrise, Playhouse Square, and Cleveland State University. As well as other areas of the city where you see construction cranes everywhere like University Circle, and the new neighborhood transformations of Tremont, Ohio City, and Little Italy.

I really like what is happening in Cincinnati. One of the most exciting cities to watch in the country right now. I just wished Cincy appreciated new forms of transporation more. Can you imagine all the possibilites that would be at Cincy's doorsteps with new transportation options.

Amen to that! The trouble here in Cincinnati is that many of us have a mindset which goes something like this. If commuting is relatively easy right now, why should we invest in rail, bus rapid transit, streetcars etc. There seems to be a lack of foresight on the part of many in this city, who can't seem to imagine a day when the highways will be even more clogged than they are now. Nor do they realize that Cincinnati can ill-afford to add lanes to it's highway system as there is just not enough room left.

[Cincy-Rise]

Traveler, can you explain in detail what it's like to the average commuter in Cleveland that relies solely on LRT for us?... and how it would impact us here with connecting the dots to our urban core development?

Thanks!

[Wilson513]

Originally Posted by Traveler87

True, and I think we are pretty stable. Our unemployment rate is below the national average, and we are seeing a huge transition to a medical based economcy. Our economy is quite diverse these days. I really look forward to future development in the city. Our downtown already has major developments that have been planned due to start construction in a few weeks. The Flats East Bank, Convention Center and Medical Mart, the Casino, the new Ernst and Young highrise, Playhouse Square, and Cleveland State University. As well as other areas of the city where you see construction cranes everywhere like University Circle, and the new neighborhood transformations of Tremont, Ohio City, and Little Italy.

I really like what is happening in Cincinnati. One of the most exciting cities to watch in the country right now. I just wished Cincy appreciated new forms of transporation more. Can you imagine all the possibilites that would be at Cincy's doorsteps with new transportation options.

Originally Posted by Cincy-Rise

Traveler, can you explain in detail what it's like to the average commuter in Cleveland that relies solely on LRT for us?... and how it would impact us here with connecting the dots to our urban core development?

Thanks!

Traveler, you know what would be incredibly helpful for those of us clinging to our cars in Cincinnati? Give me a little play by play of how it works in Cleveland. I have a buddy that moved up to Cleveland to work at the Ridge Park Medical Center and bought a little house right nearby on Vandalia Ave. He is now having to travel to the Lakewood Hospital in Lakewood about 6-8 miles away. He was telling me that he needed to get a car but I told him I had heard that Cleveland had a very popular rail system. The Hospital is supposedly right along the main rail line.

What would his daily commute look like for that trip? What train does he take and how often does it come and how long will it take him?

[captaincatfish]

Originally Posted by wilson1010

Traveler, you know what would be incredibly helpful for those of us clinging to our cars in Cincinnati? Give me a little play by play of how it works in Cleveland. I have a buddy that moved up to Cleveland to work at the Ridge Park Medical Center and bought a little house right nearby on Vandalia Ave. He is now having to travel to the Lakewood Hospital in Lakewood about 6-8 miles away. He was telling me that he needed to get a car but I told him I had heard that Cleveland had a very popular rail system. The Hospital is supposedly right along the main rail line.

What would his daily commute look like for that trip? What train does he take and how often does it come and how long will it take him?

I just went to the Cleveland RTA website, and if that gentleman is living on the West Side, he'd most likely be near the RTA 'Heavy Rail', which is the line that runs from East Cleveland on the East side, to Hopkins Airport on the West Side...

Lakewood Hospital is located on Detroit Avenue in Lakewood, and there is an RTA bus line that runs right down Detroit...I'm thinking there may be a rapid-to-bus connection involved as well (nearest north-south artery is Warren Rd to the west of the hospital)