OSU Spring Game in Cincinnati in 2013? (Columbus, Cleveland: 2014, student loans, home)

[Cbus76]

Ohio State football: 2013 spring game in Cincinnati? | Buckeye Xtra Sports

[abr7rmj]

Great news! That'll be a sure sellout on a Saturday afternoon in April, bringing tens of thousands downtown at a time that PBS isn't used.

[kjbrill]

It is fine they will condescend to play a spring game in Cincinnati while their stadium is torn up. Guess they believe it will be a money maker for them, as it very well may be. But I would much prefer if the game was against UC, which OSU seems to be deathly afraid of playing for the fear they may actually be beaten, and that blemish might cost them a national championship.

[Cbus76]

Originally Posted by kjbrill

It is fine they will condescend to play a spring game in Cincinnati while their stadium is torn up. Guess they believe it will be a money maker for them, as it very well may be. But I would much prefer if the game was against UC, which OSU seems to be deathly afraid of playing for the fear they may actually be beaten, and that blemish might cost them a national championship.

Very true. I think they're scheduled to play in 2014, but I believe the game is in Columbus. Still, the spring game should be a nice boost for downtown Cincinnati. I was down there for the 2002 game and it was a huge party as the Reds were closing Riverfront Stadium, OSU and UC were playing, and Oktoberfest was going on. Being a Notre Dame fan (I went to a catholic college with a small football program so I cheer for ND) I was pulling for the underdog UC, but Guidugli couldn't convert on the last possession.

What's more egregious is OSU not playing UC, Xavier or UD in hoops. With several good MAC and Horizon hoops schools in the state as well (Kent State, Miami, Ohio, Cleveland State, etc.) there's no reason there couldn't be something along the lines of an Ohio Classic with the venue switching between Cincinnati, Columbus, Dayton and Cleveland every year. It would be fun to see a UD/OSU matchup followed by Cincinnati/Kent State. Unfortunately, I don't think this will happen any time soon.

[kjbrill]

Originally Posted by Cbus76

What's more egregious is OSU not playing UC, Xavier or UD in hoops. With several good MAC and Horizon hoops schools in the state as well (Kent State, Miami, Ohio, Cleveland State, etc.) there's no reason there couldn't be something along the lines of an Ohio Classic with the venue switching between Cincinnati, Columbus, Dayton and Cleveland every year. It would be fun to see a UD/OSU matchup followed by Cincinnati/Kent State. Unfortunately, I don't think this will happen any time soon.

You are definitely right. Any school which is a state supported school should be required to play other such schools in the state on a rotating basis. The Athletic Depts may claim they are independent of the state subsidy, but that is BS. Let all of the state schools in Ohio play each other on a rotational basis, football, basketball, and any other sport several of them have. An Ohio Classic could turn into just that - a Classic. Let the state build upon the legacy we have within the state.

[SH513]

Originally Posted by kjbrill

It is fine they will condescend to play a spring game in Cincinnati while their stadium is torn up. Guess they believe it will be a money maker for them, as it very well may be. But I would much prefer if the game was against UC, which OSU seems to be deathly afraid of playing for the fear they may actually be beaten, and that blemish might cost them a national championship.

Yeah, not so sure about the part of being afraid to play UC. Like was mentioned, OSU will be playing them in 2014. Also, if they're not afraid to play Texas, USC, and Miami of Fla (recent past games), and California, Virginia Tech and Oklahoma (upcoming games), not so sure how anybody could say, with a straight face, that they're afraid to play UC.

Anyway, I think it's great news that they will be playing their spring game here. Sell out for sure.

[kjbrill]

Playing highly ranked teams does not necessarily kill your chances in a loss. Playing a lower ranked team and losing definitely your ranking plummets. The only Ohio schools OSU regularly plays in their non-conference schedule are those they know they can beat with the third string playing.

OSU still bristles from the 50-year old memory of UC taking two National Basketball Championships away from them when they were the odds-on favorite. They are not about to let that happen again.

The limits on scholarships has prevented the big schools from padding their rosters to the depth they once had. This has leveled the playing field considerably. But I still feel state supported schools should be required to play a given percentage of their games against other in-state supported schools.

OSU may claim their football program is so successful it is a money-maker and self supporting, etc. So show me the receipts where the program is actually paying tuition to the school for their scholarship players. Also, show me the receipts where the Athletic Program is actually paying for stadium reconstruction, etc. These monies just sort of seem to get lost in the greater scheme of things.

In my opinion, scholarship players in any sport at any school are driving up the costs for the rest of the students. This may be considered an attack on the American Way. But since we have so many attacks on the Amercian Way these days, I feel it is justified. The Athletic Department should be required to actually pay tuition for their scholarship players. If this puts them in the hole, so be it. Like any enterprise, and many of them are a big money enterprise, if you are in the hole long enough you go out of business. Like political parties, schools have their benefactors, the alumni. If the alumni are willing to contribute to keep the sports program afloat, that is fine.

The long-held argument is the success of our sports programs and the prestige are what make students want to come here. I contend this is an outdated argument, skin to cities saying we have to build pro-sports stadia to keep people desiring to visit here and spend money.

The plain simple fact is the cost of a college education has spiraled to unbelievable heights. It is like the national debt. I cannot believe how student loans are now considered the norm to attend a university. Back in my day we did not think of student loans and most of us graduated without any. I know I am a dinosaur, but when I think back about graduating, having plans to get married, owning very little, but with no debts, the future seemed like a rosy place, and indeed it was.

Big time college sports needs to be reconsidered. It is a business, supporting several other businesses, TV networks, etc. As such it needs to be taxed as a business. All TV revenues, endorsement contracts, etc. need to be declared taxable. Watch the scramble when everyone runs away from that concept.

[abr7rmj]

Originally Posted by Cbus76

Very true. I think they're scheduled to play in 2014, but I believe the game is in Columbus. Still, the spring game should be a nice boost for downtown Cincinnati. I was down there for the 2002 game and it was a huge party as the Reds were closing Riverfront Stadium, OSU and UC were playing, and Oktoberfest was going on. Being a Notre Dame fan (I went to a catholic college with a small football program so I cheer for ND) I was pulling for the underdog UC, but Guidugli couldn't convert on the last possession.

What's more egregious is OSU not playing UC, Xavier or UD in hoops. With several good MAC and Horizon hoops schools in the state as well (Kent State, Miami, Ohio, Cleveland State, etc.) there's no reason there couldn't be something along the lines of an Ohio Classic with the venue switching between Cincinnati, Columbus, Dayton and Cleveland every year. It would be fun to see a UD/OSU matchup followed by Cincinnati/Kent State. Unfortunately, I don't think this will happen any time soon.

And UC won't play at UD in basketball. All this hand-wringing by UC fans that OSU and UK won't play them is ridiculous when UC pulls the same stunt against UD. UD and UC have a long history of home-and-home games but that ended when UC decided they didn't want to play at UD Arena.

So OSU will play UC in football, but only if it's in Columbus. UC will play UD in hoops but only if it's in Cincinnati. One can't be an outrage (OSU's refusal toward UC) while the other is perfectly fine (UC's refusal toward UD). And, frankly, why does UC think it deserves to have Ohio State - one of the absolute premiere college football programs - visit Cincinnati on a regular basis? UC can't sell out any of its home games and it's not incumbent on OSU to help them with that. UC has done next to nothing as a football program to warrant such a game. In basketball there is a case to be made for a round-robin in-state tournament involving OSU, UC, UD, x, Miami, OU, BG etc., but with the national exposure these programs want, none of them are going to be too thrilled about wasting too many games against nearby opponents.

Finally, OSU could have easily taken this spring game to Cleveland and played it at the Clowns stadium. The fact that they chose Cincinnati to bring 65,000 people, the majority of whom will be from out of town, on an otherwise quiet April Saturday afternoon when PBS wouldn't be in use is a huge boon for the city.

[mike1003]

Originally Posted by kjbrill

it is fine they will condescend to play a spring game in cincinnati while their stadium is torn up. Guess they believe it will be a money maker for them, as it very well may be. But i would much prefer if the game was against uc, which osu seems to be deathly afraid of playing for the fear they may actually be beaten, and that blemish might cost them a national championship.

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[abr7rmj]

Originally Posted by kjbrill

It is fine they will condescend to play a spring game in Cincinnati while their stadium is torn up. Guess they believe it will be a money maker for them, as it very well may be. But I would much prefer if the game was against UC, which OSU seems to be deathly afraid of playing for the fear they may actually be beaten, and that blemish might cost them a national championship.

Ohio State plays, every year, Michigan, Michigan State, Penn State, Nebraska, Wisconsin, a major non-conference opponent like Miami, USC or Texas, and a highly ranked opponent in an elite New Year's Day (usually) bowl ... yet they're "deathly afraid of playing" UC?

Seriously? Do you honestly believe this or are you just trying to spur discussion?

Why should OSU play UC, a football program that:

- Has never won a major bowl game

- Has no history

- Constantly loses head coaches to other schools

- Plays in a joke of a conference that has other schools tripping over themselves to get out

- Can't sell out its dinky 32,000-seat stadium even once a year

- Couldn't come close to selling out PBS last year despite nearby rivals Louisville and West Virginia providing literally thousands of fans

- Has almost zero TV draw regionally, let alone nationally

- Lists last year's Liberty Bowl win against a 6-6 Vanderbilt team among its great on-field achievements.

Yea, OSU is so "deathly afraid" of playing UC that they've instead scheduled home-and-home series vs. the likes of Cal, Virginia Tech and Oklahoma in the next few years just to avoid having to play the Bearcats.

http://www.nationalchamps.net/NCAA/f...ate_future.htm

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P.S. - Here are UC's non-conference home games this year: Delaware State (Sept. 15), Miami of Ohio (Oct. 6) and Fordham (Oct. 13). So UC can only get a couple of no-name Div. 1-AA non-conference teams at home and you expect Ohio State? Ohio freaking State?

Utterly laughable.