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View Poll Results: MI vs OH
Michigan 109 51.42%
Ohio 103 48.58%
Voters: 212. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 06-02-2011, 06:46 AM
 
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That's because the long-term unemployed in Ohio have used up all their unemployment benefits and are no longer counted as being "unemployed" by the state.
So 16 straight months of unemployment declines is because benefits ran out? Okay.
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Old 06-02-2011, 10:01 AM
 
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So 16 straight months of unemployment declines is because benefits ran out? Okay.

Could be. That's one of the tricks politicians use to claim they lowered unemployment. If you are not collecting unemployment compensation, you are not unemployed in the eyes of the state.
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Old 06-02-2011, 05:30 PM
 
Location: Youngstown, Oh.
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Could be. That's one of the tricks politicians use to claim they lowered unemployment. If you are not collecting unemployment compensation, you are not unemployed in the eyes of the state.
So, I assume that Michigan has a more accurate way to calculate unemployment; so that people remain counted even after they run out of unemployment benefits?
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Old 06-02-2011, 07:51 PM
 
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So, I assume that Michigan has a more accurate way to calculate unemployment; so that people remain counted even after they run out of unemployment benefits?

Yes, the city of Detroit has had continuous Democratic mayors since at least 1961. These mayors have played the shell game with benefits to get more money from the federal government.
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Old 06-03-2011, 03:38 AM
 
Location: Fishers, IN
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Yes, the city of Detroit has had continuous Democratic mayors since at least 1961. These mayors have played the shell game with benefits to get more money from the federal government.
You do realize the Feds, specifically the Bureau of Labor Statistics, measures unemployment rates, don't you?
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Old 06-03-2011, 10:21 AM
 
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You do realize the Feds, specifically the Bureau of Labor Statistics, measures unemployment rates, don't you?

Same rules apply. You aren't unemployed if you aren't collecting unemployment benefits. Remember when Reagan counted those in the military as being "employed" to make the national unemployment rate look better in the early 1980s?
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Old 06-03-2011, 10:46 AM
 
Location: Fishers, IN
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Same rules apply. You aren't unemployed if you aren't collecting unemployment benefits. Remember when Reagan counted those in the military as being "employed" to make the national unemployment rate look better in the early 1980s?
Actually, the standard is that you are unemployed if you are actively looking for work. I'm just trying to understand how Detroit mayors could fudge the numbers.
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Old 06-03-2011, 02:23 PM
 
Location: Lansing, MI
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Ah, I was waiting for the pictures! #6 is particularly nice! They are all nice, don't get me wrong, but I'm not sure they are all that different from what can be found in Ohio.

Here are some of my pics--just from Youngstown. (these don't even show all the picturesque sites in Mill Creek Park/Youngstown, let alone Ohio.)

Fellows Riverside Gardens:






Youngstown Italian Fest - Downtown

Sorry, but Michigan still wins in the natural beauty department. And those shots of Downtown Youngstown are not that impressive, either. It's still a dump.
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Old 06-03-2011, 02:30 PM
 
Location: Lansing, MI
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That's a cool sentence and it sounds really neat if you repeat it in your head multiple times. And I hate to disrupt the online roll that you're apparently feeling rather good about. But you're wrong.

I disagree 100 percent.

If there is any out-of-state plate that infects Ohio more than Michigan's, I'd love to know what it is. And it's not just Interstate 75 south (although I totally understand wanting to get out of Michigan for any destination whatsoever and I-75 south is your quickest escape), it's throughout the Buckeye State, from Cedar Point to downtown Cleveland to the neighborhoods of Cincinnati to all around Columbus to Amish country to the Air Force Museum to Kings Island to Port Clinton for Put-in-Bay to the world-class museums to the nationally ranked zoos to the picturesque college towns to the forests of SE Ohio to, well, anything that's not Detroit.

And, I know you Michigan hacks love to think of your state as some outdoors Utopia - like it's Colorado or something. Well, it's really not. If I want real outdoors, I'll go to Colorado. Or Wyoming. Or Minnesota. Or Tennessee/Kentucky. Or West Virginia. The bombed-out industrial wasteland of Flint wouldn't be my first choice. (Although, I hear Detroit is really cool for those urban adventure types who enjoy exploring inner-city ruins like your crumbling factories, abandoned train stations and hollowed-out department stores that smell of stale urine and burned tires.)

P.S.: Did it ever occur to you that the reason you're seeing Michigan roads, as you say, "clogged with folks not from Michigan," is because so many Michigan natives have moved away from their home state? Thus, when they return to visit unfortunate family members left behind (or to collect what's left of their belongings from storage), they're driving their cars registered to such non-Michigan places as Ohio, Virginia, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Florida, Indiana and any of the other 43 states. Think about it: There's a reason MICHIGAN WAS THE ONLY STATE TO LOSE POPULATION during the most recent census period, and it has nothing to do with the awful music of Marshall Mathers or the woeful play of the Wolverines.

It's admirable that you Michigan fans are sticking up for what's left of your home state. It really is. But, honestly, there's a reason you don't live there anymore.
WOW........I don't know whether to laugh or just feel sorry for someone that obviously has an unhealthy deep-seated hatred towards one state. You need help.
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Old 06-03-2011, 04:14 PM
 
Location: Youngstown, Oh.
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Sorry, but Michigan still wins in the natural beauty department. And those shots of Downtown Youngstown are not that impressive, either. It's still a dump.
Perhaps you could post some impressive pictures of Michigan, then?
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