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View Poll Results: Which do you prefer?
Manhattan 97 68.79%
San Francisco 44 31.21%
Voters: 141. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 12-08-2011, 09:13 AM
 
Location: NY-NJ-Philly looks down at SF and laughs at the hippies
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San Francisco - 805,235 population - 46.87 sq miles = 17,180 ppsm
Manhattan - 1,585,873 population - 22.96 = 69,071 ppsm

Yes, SF looks like it can truly compete with Manhattan for vibrancy.

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Old 12-08-2011, 09:16 AM
 
Location: The City
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San Francisco - 805,235 population - 46.87 sq miles = 17,180 ppsm
Manhattan - 1,585,873 population - 22.96 = 69,071 ppsm

Yes, SF looks like it can truly compete with Manhattan for virbrancy.

These numbers dont tell the whole story

SF has a better kind of vibrancy, the people are better etc. Stats dont mean anything
 
Old 12-08-2011, 09:25 AM
 
Location: Los Altos Hills, CA
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That's not the point. His point is basically that Asians stay confined to these ghetto-like urban enclaves within the city limits. My point is that if you take NYC as a whole, the Asians here are very geographically dispersed.
Not nearly enough to compare with the Bay Area. Not even close actually.

To scale map from the New York Times:


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There are Asians all the way in the Bronx and Asians all the way down in Staten Island. And then half of the Asians in the Metro area don't even live in NYC.
1 Million Asians live outside of New York and 1 Million Asians live outside of SF, SJ and Oakland.

Food for thought.
 
Old 12-08-2011, 09:36 AM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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Not nearly enough to compare with the Bay Area. Not even close actually.

To scale map from the New York Times:



1 Million Asians live outside of New York and 1 Million Asians live outside of SF, SJ and Oakland.

Food for thought.
No, it's not food for thought. First, I don't see why it makes a difference where people are concentrated. If all 2 million Asians in the Tri-State lived in Queens, then what would it matter? Second, the map shows concentrations by percentage, not numbers. There are way more people in the Tri-State than there are in the Bay Area, so the Asian percentage of any community is not going to be as high. Third, those maps don't even appear to be of the same scale, though I don't think that's a particularly imporant point in light of my two previous ones.
 
Old 12-08-2011, 09:37 AM
 
Location: roaming gnome
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These numbers dont tell the whole story

SF has a better kind of vibrancy, the people are better etc. Stats dont mean anything
Eh, I can feel the difference in places that are around 8k, vs those that are 12k...And so can others which has been a premise in many a thread. Much less the gigantic spread Manhattan has over SF.
 
Old 12-08-2011, 09:38 AM
 
Location: Los Altos Hills, CA
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San Francisco - 805,235 population - 46.87 sq miles = 17,180 ppsm
Manhattan - 1,585,873 population - 22.96 = 69,071 ppsm

Yes, SF looks like it can truly compete with Manhattan for vibrancy.
If this is the true measure of vibrancy, then Guttenberg, NJ is more vibrant than Manhattan.
List of United States cities by population density - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Behold, the teeming sidewalks of the most vibrant place in the United States, Guttenberg:


Eat your heart out Upper East Side.


You can keep your podunk Fifth Avenue, Guttenberg is where the real action is SON.


From this point forward, we all bow to Guttenberg.
 
Old 12-08-2011, 09:38 AM
 
Location: roaming gnome
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No, it's not food for thought. First, I don't see why it makes a difference where people are concentrated. If all 2 million Asians in the Tri-State lived in Queens, then what would it matter? Second, the map shows concentrations by percentage, not numbers. There are way more people in the Tri-State than there are in the Bay Area, so the Asian percentage of any community is not going to be as high. That's common sense.
NYC is 8.2 mil out of 22 mil.
SF is 805k out of 7.4 mil.

A lot more people can officially call themselves New Yorkers and be correct about it than San Franciscans, 10x as many as a matter of fact.
 
Old 12-08-2011, 09:41 AM
 
Location: roaming gnome
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If this is the true measure of vibrancy, then Guttenberg, NJ is more vibrant than Manhattan.
List of United States cities by population density - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Behold, the teeming sidewalks of the most vibrant place in the United States, Guttenberg:


Eat your heart out Upper East Side.


You can keep your podunk Fifth Avenue, Guttenberg is where the real action is SON.


From this point forward, we all bow to Guttenberg.
Horrible try. But you have been known to skew statistics before, possibly being nefarious, possibly just having a mild grasp of them. It is #'s AND scale which hold any actual value, anything else is strictly being manipulative. Manhattan holds that over 23 square miles.
Keep avoiding the actual #'s though.
for the record Guttenberg is only 11k people
nice try though? I'm sure everybody will have a laugh at your miserable rebuttal.
 
Old 12-08-2011, 09:44 AM
 
Location: Los Altos Hills, CA
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No, it's not food for thought. First, I don't see why it makes a difference where people are concentrated. If all 2 million Asians in the Tri-State lived in Queens, then what would it matter? Second, the map shows concentrations by percentage, not numbers. There are way more people in the Tri-State than there are in the Bay Area, so the Asian percentage of any community is not going to be as high. Third, those maps don't even appear to be of the same scale, though I don't think that's a particularly imporant point in light of my two previous ones.
1. It was YOU who brought up ethnocentric neighborhoods in this thread trying to have a gotcha moment that failed miserably. *yawns*

2. There are 1 Million Asians outside of NYC and 1 Million Asians outside of SF, Oakland and SJ. Its crystal clear which has the heavier Asians influence. I dont even know why you are continuing on this failed tangent but whatever.

3. So call the NY Times and tell them that NYCs map needs to be inflated to match the egos of folks on C-D. In the meantime, that's life.
 
Old 12-08-2011, 09:45 AM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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Horrible try. But you have been known to skew statistics before, possibly being nefarious, possibly just having a mild grasp of them. It is #'s AND scale which hold any actual value, anything else is strictly being manipulative. Manhattan holds that over 23 square miles.
Keep avoiding the actual #'s though.
for the record Guttenberg is only 11k people
nice try though? I'm sure everybody will have a laugh at your miserable rebuttal.
Haha. Quite ridiculous, right? The problem comes in when a certain place (like Manhattan) has a greater density and a larger population than SF. Brooklyn and Queens have the trifecta on SF: (1) larger population; (2) higher population density; and (3) larger land mass.

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