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Your actually right. The giants will stay in jersey. They can use jersey infrastructure,play their home games in jersey,have most their fans come from jersey,have jersey people working at the stadium,have jersey taxpayers pay for the stadium and still call themselves THE NEW YORK GIANTS completely disregarding any link to your identity stricken state.Sweet deal for new york
You conveniently left out NJ collecting all of that tax revenue. Having millionaire football players living in the state, from two teams (income tax, and you know Jersey loves to tax), ect, ect.
Stop trying to turn this into a negative for NJ to make yourself feel better. Take the loss & keep it moving.
Lol are u serious. If a team doesnt play in the city limits...atleast play within the same state. New jerseyans defending the giants and jets are idiots. Both of those teams should have jersey in their names point blank
Washington DC is not a state its a district and its physically located in maryland
Two points:
1.) I don't think anybody from New Jersey is against having Jersey in the name of those teams. But it's not up to them, it's up to the team ownership (and I don't care about North Jersey sports so trust me I don't have a personal interest in this).
2.) Tell anyone from DC that they are "located" in MD and they'll tear you apart, I learned that in a rather unfortunate way. They reaaaally don't appreciate that.
I would say New Jersey is suffering from unflattering media exposure at the moment. The whole Jersey Shore movement has painted the state as some alternate universe full of intolerable, tacky, hideous, narcissistic, uber-vain, over tanned, hedonistic, promiscuous, violent, alcoholic, plastic surgery/anabolic steroid ravaged orange tribal people.
However, California, in my opinion, will forever be the most stereotyped state in the country. For instance, I am from San Francisco originally but I currently live on the East Coast in Maryland. The Bay Area is one of the most stereotyped places in the country. Everybody who has never been to The City has the impression that San Francisco is some alternate dimension filled to the brim with flaming homosexual males and rich yuppies with ZERO slums. And everybody also thinks Oakland across the bridge is some post apocalyptic war zone with a 99% Black population. Although there is a bit of truth to any stereotype, these outrageous ill-informed national views are far from being true as the gospel. In fact, many of the ghettos in SF are much more dangerous than the ghettos in Oakland. A young Black male is about twice as likely to be murdered in SF than across the bridge in Oakland.
Also, SF's famous homosexual population is often exaggerated. 15.4% of San Franciscans claim to be gay. However, most experts agree that approximately 10% of the American population is homosexual. Five percent more gay people than the average American city is not that big of a difference. Also, many gay people from other areas may be "in the closet" or "on the down low", whereas gay people from all over move to SF because self-identifying as "gay" is simply more politically accepted in neighborhoods like the Castro. Oakland also consistently ranks in the top ten gayest cities in America as well.
In addition, its kinda laughable that SF is stereotyped as being so gay when the City's history of pimping and prostitution is nothing short of legendary. The pimp's pimp "West Coast God Father of the Game" aka "The Pope of Pimping", Fillmore Slim made a fortune selling p*ssy in San Francisco. Doesn't seem too gay to me. Hahaha.
Even when you present ignoramuses from other regions of the country towards hard facts like these, they still REFUSE to believe it. The media's biased influence on the collective American consciousness is undeniable.
You makes some good points but overall I think California is presented by Hollywood, at least in a neutral manner, and sometimes postive. While New Jersey is too often shown in a negative manner.
For instance, can you name any movies which show the rural parts of New Jersey (not the Shore) in a postive manner? Did the opening of the Sopranos ever show Tony Soprano hiking the Appalachian Trail or taking a canoe down the Delaware River?
I think most Americans would be shocked that the Appalachian Trail went through New Jersey or there are a fair amount of farms left in the State. God forbid they found out about the Pine Barrens, they might have a heart attack!
Openheads, you say that I have a "particular type of ignorance" but you're being stubborn about the point I'm trying to make. I understand what you're saying about being bullied. It's definitely right. But in today's world, people really do define a state by its cities. That's just the point I'm trying to make.
Uhhh. I give up.............................. You're right. Hudson Co as one large city will make the NY media stop using the state as a cultural scapegoat (wha?). That makes perfect sense. Even though NJ still will not have a media outlet, larger municipalities will solve the issue of perception. How could I have been so mistaken?
You're under the impression that it matters what ACTUALLY happens in NJ. What ACTUALLY happens has nothing to do with how others with the most powerful cultural megaphone in the nation shapes us.
I can't make that any more clear. I really can't.
Again, you are quite naive as to the cultural politics of this region.
4th lowest poverty rate means nothing. One of the most educated states in the nation means nothing. One of the highest median incomes means nothing as far as perception is concerned. And neither does the size of our cities. You act like the average person studies these statistics & makes an informed decision. You have to know better than that. Right? Soundbites rule perception. Movies, TV rule perception.
A 600+ thousand city means nothing.
For a state this size, NJ has produced more than its fair share of actors, poets, writers, musicians, inventors, inventions & cultural significance. And you know what? It still means nothing as long as the entity with the biggest voice keeps telling people how awful we are.
You're under the delusion that facts & reality have anything to do with perception. That's a life lesson not just pertaining to the topic at hand.
We suck because the bully with the megaphone says we do. It doesn't matter if we ACTUALLY do or not.
You need to wise up & see the big picture.
Why doesn't "the entity" say awful things about Connecticut or Pennsylvania?
Uhhh. I give up.............................. You're right. Hudson Co as one large city will make the NY media stop using the state as a cultural scapegoat (wha?). That makes perfect sense. Even though NJ still will not have a media outlet, larger municipalities will solve the issue of perception. How could I have been so mistaken?
You're under the impression that it matters what ACTUALLY happens in NJ. What ACTUALLY happens has nothing to do with how others with the most powerful cultural megaphone in the nation shapes us.
I can't make that any more clear. I really can't.
Again, you are quite naive as to the cultural politics of this region.
4th lowest poverty rate means nothing. One of the most educated states in the nation means nothing. One of the highest median incomes means nothing as far as perception is concerned. And neither does the size of our cities. You act like the average person studies these statistics & makes an informed decision. You have to know better than that. Right? Soundbites rule perception. Movies, TV rule perception.
A 600+ thousand city means nothing.
For a state this size, NJ has produced more than its fair share of actors, poets, writers, musicians, inventors, inventions & cultural significance. And you know what? It still means nothing as long as the entity with the biggest voice keeps telling people how awful we are.
You're under the delusion that facts & reality have anything to do with perception. That's a life lesson not just pertaining to the topic at hand.
We suck because the bully with the megaphone says we do. It doesn't matter if we ACTUALLY do or not.
You need to wise up & see the big picture.
The bully with the microphone meaning NYC, Im sure. Is that the "big picture" you speak of? It's all NY's fault, right? NJ's statistics and demographics has almost everything to do with NYC/Philly- so you might as well not make a case for NJ at all since you seem to be blaming the city that co-founded the state.
You're exactly right, no one cares to know those statistic- let alone know what NJ's about. We're the sandwhich meat between NYC and Philly. That's it- There is nothing NJ can identify itself with other than the poverty cramped cities NJ is infamous for. THAT'S the perception of the state- poverty, crime and blight.
And no, I don't think it's possible to annex any sensible region in the state and call it a city- Because I do know how the cultural politics in this state work, and it's one of the most corrupted ones in the nation AT THAT. "KEEP THE STATE AN AFFLUENT SUBURB, AND CRAM THE POVERTY IN OUR CITIES"
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You conveniently left out NJ collecting all of that tax revenue. Having millionaire football players living in the state, from two teams (income tax, and you know Jersey loves to tax), ect, ect.
Stop trying to turn this into a negative for NJ to make yourself feel better. Take the loss & keep it moving.
Lol at new yorkers taking any loss in this situation whatsoever. New jersey lost for hosting two professional teams that dont recognize your state and could really give a two shi?s about it. When the superbowl comes to your state in a few years- nyc will claim all of the glory and leave nj with nothing but a mention here and there. The whole situation is a complete L To your state and a complete Embarrassment. If anything stop trying to make the situation look positive
If new jersey stops talking this "suburb of nyc" "suburb of philly" "Nyc metro" dumbsht and invest in their own state than maybe ya would get respect. Philly and nyc could careless about a metro
Jerseys image has nothing to do with nyc, and moreseo with jersey being content as being flyover country between ny and philly
The dallas cowboys dont play in dallas but they play WITHIN TEXAS
Washington DC is not a state its a district and its physically located in maryland
The bills dont play in buffalo but they play in a county right outside buffalo in new york state not in another state
Maybe you should pick up NYC and move it inland by Utica or something and leave NJ alone- Because as of now, the entire western border of NYC is shared with NJ.
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Its funny. Maybe you can, but I cannot recall mainstream news anchors like Chuck Scarborough or Sue Simmons calling New Jersey, "Dirty Jersey" or "Guidoland". And I don't see the mainstream NY news channels or newspapers attacking Italians in New Jersey, guidos or otherwise.
Your narrow view of "Media" is what's tripping you up (conveniently). Come on man, I know you're smarter than that. I do.
Should we call it "Medium"? Does that help you out any?
Provincialism is a NY staple. It's what you do. Bedbugs give NY "character", but makes another city dirty. Being rude in NY is "keeping it real", but makes people from another city A wholes (spelled wrong on purpose). Dirty streets & filthy subway stations are "all apart of the experience", but makes another city unlivable.
People who gravitate toward "Medium" move where the " Medium" is. They incorporate, acclimate, adopt said provincialism & it leaks out in their "Medium". Jersey sucks is the mantra & who are they to go against the grain. You're a NY'er now & that's cooler than telling the truth (to yourself or the nation). Native NY'ers don't question it either. As a matter of fact, most embrace it without even knowing why.
It's akin to the ingrained, from birth disdain many "Northerners" feel toward the south (or vice versa). They don't question such a thing. It just is, so it must be true.
The problem is NJ does not have the super PR machine that NY possesses. So who constantly gets the short end of the stick?
It doesn't matter what NJ does or does not do. It doesn't matter how wealthy, poor, clean or dirty NJ is. The perceived truth is the absolute truth to the uninformed. And that's the only truth that matters.
Your narrow view of "Media" is what's tripping you up (conveniently). Come on man, I know you're smarter than that. I do.
Should we call it "Medium"? Does that help you out any?
Provincialism is a NY staple. It's what you do. Bedbugs give NY "character", but makes another city dirty. Being rude in NY is "keeping it real", but makes people from another city A wholes (spelled wrong on purpose). Dirty streets & filthy subway stations are "all apart of the experience", but makes another city unlivable.
People who gravitate toward "Medium" move where the " Medium" is. They incorporate, acclimate, adopt said provincialism & it leaks out in their "Medium". Jersey sucks is the mantra & who are they to go against the grain. You're a NY'er now & that's cooler than telling the truth (to yourself or the nation). Native NY'ers don't question it either. As a matter of fact, most embrace it without even knowing why.
It's akin to the ingrained, from birth disdain many "Northerners" feel toward the south (or vice versa). They don't question such a thing. It just is, so it must be true.
The problem is NJ does not have the super PR machine that NY possesses. So who constantly gets the short end of the stick?
It doesn't matter what NJ does or does not do. It doesn't matter how wealthy, poor, clean or dirty NJ is. The perceived truth is the absolute truth to the uninformed. And that's the only truth that matters.
Why doesn't New York attack Connecticut?
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