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Miami is one small part of Florida. Just because people think Miami is representative of all of Florida isn't my problem. Florida is southern.
I'm talking about other than Peachtree.
Atlanta can be as dense as it wants with all the towers and mid rises as far as the eye can see, but it will not change the fact that the setbacks are too large, the streets are too wide in most areas, etc. Midtown doesn't have the intimate feel of older, denser cities.
It's not compact like NOLA where it's literally old world feeling, but the streets aren't that wide in Midtown Atlanta.
Do you consider this a wide street or huge setbacks? The setbacks look normal to me.
Again, it seems like you haven't been to Midtown Atlanta and maybe even Atlanta period. Trying to say Midtown has huge setbacks and wide streets is ridiculous and street level retail only exists on Peachtree is insane. This ain't Buckhead.
Again, it seems like you haven't been to Midtown Atlanta and maybe even Atlanta period. Trying to say Midtown has huge setbacks and wide streets is ridiculous and street level retail only exists on Peachtree is insane. This ain't Buckhead.
Your first and last sentences completely contradict each other.
You obviously know what I mean.
Nowhere in Midtown compares with: https://goo.gl/maps/VmVFLK3vmjq
The homerism in this thread is blatant and ridiculous.
This is all ridiculous. Either the people from Atlanta, and Houston that keep saying those two cities match the built environment of new Orleans outside the quarter either never left the quarter or they enjoyed the festivities a little too much.
The urban areas of Atlanta, DFW and Houston are so large, and the buildings so tall, i would imagine it taking 100 years and a hefty population increase before they see the built out block to block development of New Orleans. These 3 cities are constantly building up and out, increasing the urban footprint, while New Orleans is hemmed in by a huge lake, wetlands, and bisected by a river. At the same time they don't build up as much, so the limited land they do have, they build low. Making it easy for all the land to be built out.
I really can't imagine Houston, DFW and ATL ever being built out because of the abundance of space and the hirises. While New Orleans would use 10 blocks to build 10 buildings under 10 stories, the other 3 would use 3 blocks, throw up 3 buildings over 10 floors and leave the rest empty. So yes in that way the big three achieve a higher population density, but a lower built density and lower big city feel because of all the gaps
Your first and last sentences completely contradict each other.
You obviously know what I mean.
Nowhere in Midtown compares with: https://goo.gl/maps/VmVFLK3vmjq
..at least in my, and obviously your, opinion.
At least 3 links I posted has streets as wide the one you just posted there. Atlanta doesn't have western-like streets that are generally wide. Atlanta is still an eastern city and eastern cities generally had smaller street widths.
This is all ridiculous. Either the people from Atlanta, and Houston that keep saying those two cities match the built environment of new Orleans outside the quarter either never left the quarter or they enjoyed the festivities a little too much.
The urban areas of Atlanta, DFW and Houston are so large, and the buildings so tall, i would imagine it taking 100 years and a hefty population increase before they see the built out block to block development of New Orleans. These 3 cities are constantly building up and out, increasing the urban footprint, while New Orleans is hemmed in by a huge lake, wetlands, and bisected by a river. At the same time they don't build up as much, so the limited land they do have, they build low. Making it easy for all the land to be built out.
I really can't imagine Houston, DFW and ATL ever being built out because of the abundance of space and the hirises. While New Orleans would use 10 blocks to build 10 buildings under 10 stories, the other 3 would use 3 blocks, throw up 3 buildings over 10 floors and leave the rest empty. So yes in that way the big three achieve a higher population density, but a lower built density and lower big city feel because of all the gaps
Skyscrapers contribute to a big city feel. Would you consider Seattle's core to be more big city feeling than NOLA? NOLA is more compact, but Seattle scale is much larger with a skyscraper downtown and 4-6 story apartment midrises radiating from that area.
And if Houston, Dallas, and Atlanta can have these large urban waves every decade, it won't take nearly as long as you think. It only took Seattle 2 or 3 decades from going from a core where parking lots were very numerous to a fairly built out core with little parking lots remaining. All they have to do is build out 30 square miles or so to get that very big city feel.
And let's be honest: When's the last time NOLA has had a significant wave of development? It's remain relatively stagnant for decades now. The pop. growth it's experiencing now is mainly because returning to housing units that weren't previously occupied. It's not really building much of any new housing. It'll never when the city is experiencing annual net job losses.
Miami is one small part of Florida. Just because people think Miami is representative of all of Florida isn't my problem. Florida is southern.
Thank you. I was one who'd not consider florida but I can relate to your argument. Houston and East TX is a small part of the state and bc of that portion, we get lumped in with "south" like GA, AL, SC. Wth, smh
I'll take your word for it since u live there
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Sure are. I have cousins that are Cuban and from what I have heard about Mexicans in Houston, it maybe similar to Cubans in South Florida. But yeah, most of the Blacks in South Florida that I know personally look at themselves as Southerners. Most of the blacks outside the South that looks at Miami and the rest of the Florida as the South. Including the ones that have experience with Florida.
Yea, while I was in Houston I saw a slightly obese asian woman eho had a thick southern draw. I was shocked! Didn't know it was possible.
Lol @ the homerism. We all have pride in where we're from. I gave Houston the nod over dallas. But my bias won't allow me to say Houston Metro is better than DFW metro. Ill defend the state in a heartbeat regardless.
I cant contribute much on the NoLa debate. But it seems like if a city had more hi rises, skyscrapers, and population density then it would easily feel bigger than another city. Hou, Atl, DFW (sorry Southernboy) all beat NoLa in those three categories. OP's question was "what city?", not what cities urban core.
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