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It's literally the second most populated downtown after Manhattan. Depending on metrics used, Chicago and Philly are the 2nd and 3rd downtowns in the US. SF is not 2nd or 3rd. Sorry. And it is definitely not LA, DC, or Boston.
A recurring theme on C/D is posters authoritatively declaring SF to have one of the greatest downtowns in the nation, and then revealing that they don't actually know where the geographic boundaries of it are, what the population of it is, unable to name a significant cultural institution there, etc...
It would be cool if Philly and New York grew into One Metropolitan Area kinda like Tokyo-Osaka Japan, I wonder how L.A would fare in the polls if that happened
It would be cool if Philly and New York grew into One Metropolitan Area kinda like Tokyo-Osaka Japan, I wonder how L.A would fare in the polls if that happened
They are too far away to ever be considered One Metropolitan Area. They are 90 miles apart (1 hour, 30 mins) away from each other. Even if they were to become one metro area "on paper," they would still operate and be viewed as, as 2 independent cities. So it would have no impact on polls like this, since people would not realistically view them as one area.
A recurring theme on C/D is posters authoritatively declaring SF to have one of the greatest downtowns in the nation, and then revealing that they don't actually know where the geographic boundaries of it are, what the population of it is, unable to name a significant cultural institution there, etc...
I don't think most people could name the official boundaries (aside from obvious ones like bodies of water or freeways) of most downtowns or what their populations are. I do think that most could name a significant cultural institution or civil landmark located there though.
Downtown is essentially the urban heart of a city, regardless of what the municipal government or civic organizations say it is in terms of official boundaries.
Criteria:
- Weather Philadelphia (I prefer 4 seasons)
- Scenery Los Angeles
- Economy Los Angeles
- Education [b]Los Angeles/B]
- Parks Philadelphia
- Waterfront Philadelphia
- Downtown activity Philadelphia I'm still finding out things to do in Center City living here 14 years.
- Shopping Los Angeles
- DiversityLos Angeles
- Housing stock Philadelphia
- Nightlife Los Angeles
- School systems (K-12) Los Angeles
- Higher education (Colleges & Universities) Tie This question is subjective, "best ___ schools in the USA" rankings doesn't make it the best choice, too many variables: major, price range, jobs in area, ect...
- Mass Transit Philadelphia
- Niche Industry (What are they for either?)
- Pace of life Tie Philadelphia is very laid back for an east coast city
- Safety Tie I doubt anyone here will purposefully wonder into the shady- high crime areas, so you should be well off in either city.
- Quality of life Tie
- Cost of living Philadelphia
- Dining scene Los Angeles
Questions:
- Which one would you rather live in? And why? Los Angeles, but I'd most-likely return back to Philadelphia within a few years, I have a love-hate relationship with this city, whenever I go away I always get homesick and when I return, I remember why I left.
It would be cool if Philly and New York grew into One Metropolitan Area kinda like Tokyo-Osaka Japan, I wonder how L.A would fare in the polls if that happened
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They are too far away to ever be considered One Metropolitan Area. They are 90 miles apart (1 hour, 30 mins) away from each other. Even if they were to become one metro area "on paper," they would still operate and be viewed as, as 2 independent cities. So it would have no impact on polls like this, since people would not realistically view them as one area.
Ohhhh I see
Oops I meant Like Tokyo-Yokohama (same metro) Not Tokyo Osaka (different metros) . But if Philly New York became one Metro I Suppose Los Angeles and San Diego would do the same, so the poll result would even out
Oops I meant Like Tokyo-Yokohama (same metro) Not Tokyo Osaka (different metros) . But if Philly New York became one Metro I Suppose Los Angeles and San Diego would do the same, so the poll result would even out
In between LA and SD there's this Marine base called Camp Pendleton. Unless and until it closes, it will absolutely prevent the two metros from growing toward each other.
Not to mention that the two cities are 30 miles farther apart from each other than New York and Philadelphia are.
Depending on how the commuting patterns work out, however, I could see the Philadephia and New York CSAs turning into one megaregion some decades hence. Mercer County is already contested territory: Middlesex Countians (New York CSA) commuting to work in the Princeton area has already led to its shifting from the Philadelphia CSA to the New York CSA, even though it remains in Philadelphia's media market (and the sports team allegiances most Mercerites display bears this out as well). Affluent New Yorkers have been buying properties in Bucks County as well.
But just as Baltimore maintains a distinct identity as a metropolitan center despite being a mere 30 miles from Washington, I doubt that Philadelphia and New York will ever function as one metro even in the way Dallas and Fort Worth do.
In between LA and SD there's this Marine base called Camp Pendleton. Unless and until it closes, it will absolutely prevent the two metros from growing toward each other.
Not to mention that the two cities are 30 miles farther apart from each other than New York and Philadelphia are.
Pendelton doesn't go that far inland. San Diego will continue to expand north along the 15 towards LA-IE.
Criteria:
- Weather Philadelphia (I prefer 4 seasons)
- Scenery Los Angeles
- Economy Los Angeles
- Education [b]Los Angeles/B]
- Parks Philadelphia
- Waterfront Philadelphia
- Downtown activity Philadelphia I'm still finding out things to do in Center City living here 14 years.
- Shopping Los Angeles
- DiversityLos Angeles
- Housing stock Philadelphia
- Nightlife Los Angeles
- School systems (K-12) Los Angeles
- Higher education (Colleges & Universities) Tie This question is subjective, "best ___ schools in the USA" rankings doesn't make it the best choice, too many variables: major, price range, jobs in area, ect...
- Mass Transit Philadelphia
- Niche Industry (What are they for either?)
- Pace of life Tie Philadelphia is very laid back for an east coast city
- Safety Tie I doubt anyone here will purposefully wonder into the shady- high crime areas, so you should be well off in either city.
- Quality of life Tie
- Cost of living Philadelphia
- Dining scene Los Angeles
Questions:
- Which one would you rather live in? And why? Los Angeles, but I'd most-likely return back to Philadelphia within a few years, I have a love-hate relationship with this city, whenever I go away I always get homesick and when I return, I remember why I left.
I pretty much agree with all of your rankings, except I'd give a "tie" for education and school systems. I'd also give Niche Industry to LA because, well, Hollywood.
The grass is always greener on the other side. Try to remember why you missed it. As someone who did not grow up here, I feel like Philadelphia is a fantastic place to live.
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