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And while I never really got outside the city, I would have loved the opportunity to visit the Cuyahoga Valley National Park that sits just outside the city. Not many cities outside of Seattle, Tucson, and Denver can brag about being that close to a national park!!!
the jefferson national expansion memorial (aka gateway arch) is a national park.
I would.. compare taht city to the rest of the big cities of the midwest. Chicago, Detroit, Indianapolis.etc. and cleveland's pop is bigger than that of St. Louis's. not counting the Metro, cause where comparing the cities.
not sure who in this day and age counts city population as more important than metro. by that philosophy, one would have to agree that jacksonville is a "bigger city" than boston, or that el paso is a "bigger city" than washington, dc, because in city proper, that is in fact the case. but metro area is far more accurate in assessing a city's size, scope, culture and prominence. this is a metropolitan age, and it isn't fair to compare cities without considering the entire urbanized region (the economic engine) around them.
st louis and cleveland are both far more significant urban areas than indianapolis, which happens to have a relatively large city population comprised of almost entirely suburban areas. indianapolis is a much smaller urban area.
st. louis without a doubt. went to cleveland about two weeks ago. I had low expectations. It was a nice city with some nice things to see. We had fun going out, but the vibe on the places we went to were kind of slow, where you really feel the rustbeltness of the city. I never quite actually feel that when i visit st. louis. (i'm an urban enthusiast self-proclaimed hipster btw)
The main difference i noticed was self-esteem. Almost EVERYONE i met in cleveland was like...oh can't wait to get out of this place. I meet people in chicago from cleveland and they say theyre never going back and bash it, claiming to have no ties to the city, even though they were born and raised there.
St. Louis has made its way into pop culture, especially with its hip hop seen (nelly, chingy, huey, jkwon, ebony eyez, muphy lee, etc. - a lot of songs you here on the radio/clubs/bars nowadays are suprisingly artists from st louis). In terms of self esteem, all those artists mention some aspect of st. louis in all their songs and have extreme city pride. Plus a lot of people i meet from there all plan on going back there to live.
not sure who in this day and age counts city population as more important than metro. by that philosophy, one would have to agree that jacksonville is a "bigger city" than boston, or that el paso is a "bigger city" than washington, dc, because in city proper, that is in fact the case. but metro area is far more accurate in assessing a city's size, scope, culture and prominence. this is a metropolitan age, and it isn't fair to compare cities without considering the entire urbanized region (the economic engine) around them.
st louis and cleveland are both far more significant urban areas than indianapolis, which happens to have a relatively large city population comprised of almost entirely suburban areas. indianapolis is a much smaller urban area.
Completely agree with you. This is a pet peeve of mine. Using city pop stats instead of metro stats means a small big city like San Diego (pop 1.4 million or so) is bigger than Boston, DC, Atlanta, etc, when the metro areas of those cities are FAR bigger than SD metro.
I might agree about St. Louis having more city pride than a place like Cleveland. As for people from Chicago having no city pride, I'd say that's not true. However, I certainly know that a lot of people don't want to live there forever. I for one am not keen on staying in St. Louis for a long time. I think the fact that people are tempted to move back here has to do with its central location more than anything else.
St. Louis definitely. I love St. Louis. I've never been to Cleveland.
Thats kinda odd. You say "St. Louis definitely", but youve never been to Cleveland? How can you decide then? Cleveland might be the best thing to you since sliced bread.
My vote goes to Cleveland. It is on a lake with beaches for the summertime. Also, speaking of the summer, Cleveland's summers are more tolerable. Cleveland is also close to Canada for trips. It is also closer to the other great lakes for recreation. Cleveland has better mass transit. Cleveland is also a shorter distance to the east coast where I currently live.
No offense to St. Louis but it is not a town for me.
I might agree about St. Louis having more city pride than a place like Cleveland. As for people from Chicago having no city pride, I'd say that's not true. However, I certainly know that a lot of people don't want to live there forever. I for one am not keen on staying in St. Louis for a long time. I think the fact that people are tempted to move back here has to do with its central location more than anything else.
I never said people from chicago have no city pride??? I said people IN chicago FROM cleveland.
i think people moving back is a point the city is worth living in. People moving back to the city after travelling and living in other places is a form of proof that the city has its benefits over other places to natives. its a good indicator of how good a city is.
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. compare taht city to the rest of the big cities of the midwest. Chicago, Detroit, Indianapolis.etc. and cleveland's pop is bigger than that of St. Louis's. not counting the Metro, cause where comparing the cities.
