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View Poll Results: Which metro has the most high-density urban feeling areas?
Chicago-Joliet-Naperville, IN-IL-WI 38 32.76%
Philadelphia, Camden, Wilmington, PA, NJ, DE 20 17.24%
Boston-Cambridge-Quincy, MA-NH 23 19.83%
San Francisco-Oakland-Fremont, CA 35 30.17%
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Old 06-03-2011, 03:22 PM
 
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^nice, they combined the San Jose and San Francisco urban areas together. That list isn't direct from the US census though (it's from demographia.com, which took census data and applied some of their own methodology to it).

But, it seems to be pretty much exactly the same combination the US census is planning to do in 2013 when they update the nation's metro/urban areas (FINALLY, in SF/SJ's case).
I agree, the bay area should be one MSA. It's consistently dense from S.F to San Jose. If D.C and Baltimore combine they would have 6,790,000 in 2959 sq.mi., 2294/sq.mile dropping to #10 in density.
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Old 06-04-2011, 09:19 PM
 
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2011 list of urban area population and density List of urban areas by population - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

1. L.A, 14,940,000, 3611 sq.mi., 4137/sq.mile
2. S.F, 5,780,000, 1654 sq. mi., 3494/sq.mile
3. Phx, 4,100,000, 1285 sq.mi, 3190/sq.mile
4. Mia, 5,455,000, 1796 sq.mi, 3037/sq.mile
5. NYC, 20,710,000, 6999 sq.mi, 2958/sq.mile
6. Chi, 9,240,000, 3698 sq.mi, 2498/sq.mile
7. D.C, 4,575,000, 1861 sq.mi, 2458/sq.mile
8. Hou, 5,045,000, 2151 sq.mi, 2345/sq.mile
9. Dal, 5,745,000, 2460 sq.mi, 2335/sq.mile
10. Sea, 3,070,000, 1534 sq.mi, 2001/sq.mile
11. Det, 3,880,000, 2030 sq.mi, 1991/sq.mile
12. Phi, 5,340,000, 2896 sq.mi, 1843/sq.mile
13. Atl, 4,750,000, 3158 sq.mi, 1504/sq.mile
14. Bos, 4,825,000, 3418 sq.mi, 1411/sq.mile

Understanding Phoenix: Not as Sprawled as You Think | Newgeography.com
"Weighted" density my friend. The article said PHX had 2.9 mill in 800 sq. miles, according to your chart it is denser than metro Philly which has around 4mil in 800 sq. miles. Out west there are alot less old small towns in the ex-urban expanse that keep the overall density just high enough to be considered "urban" and stretch out the size of the urban area. It just stops, and then there is completely uninhabited deserts or mountains. The exurbs of metro Boston and Philly in praticular, are dotted with so many little boroughs and towns and bonefide cities that there urban footprint is stretched much further out, and thus the density numbers get watered down.
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Old 06-04-2011, 10:26 PM
 
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"Weighted" density my friend.
what are you going on about now???

Weighted density??
density is density dude, stop making up crap
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Old 06-04-2011, 10:33 PM
 
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what are you going on about now???

Weighted density??
density is density dude, stop making up crap




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Old 06-05-2011, 12:00 AM
 
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2011 list of urban area population and density List of urban areas by population - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

1. L.A, 14,940,000, 3611 sq.mi., 4137/sq.mile
2. S.F, 5,780,000, 1654 sq. mi., 3494/sq.mile
3. Phx, 4,100,000, 1285 sq.mi, 3190/sq.mile
4. Mia, 5,455,000, 1796 sq.mi, 3037/sq.mile
5. NYC, 20,710,000, 6999 sq.mi, 2958/sq.mile
6. Chi, 9,240,000, 3698 sq.mi, 2498/sq.mile
7. D.C, 4,575,000, 1861 sq.mi, 2458/sq.mile
8. Hou, 5,045,000, 2151 sq.mi, 2345/sq.mile
9. Dal, 5,745,000, 2460 sq.mi, 2335/sq.mile
10. Sea, 3,070,000, 1534 sq.mi, 2001/sq.mile
11. Det, 3,880,000, 2030 sq.mi, 1991/sq.mile
12. Phi, 5,340,000, 2896 sq.mi, 1843/sq.mile
13. Atl, 4,750,000, 3158 sq.mi, 1504/sq.mile
14. Bos, 4,825,000, 3418 sq.mi, 1411/sq.mile

Understanding Phoenix: Not as Sprawled as You Think | Newgeography.com
You need to work on your math skills. There are 2.56 square km in one square mile. Thus, all your numbers are WAY, WAY off.
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Old 06-05-2011, 01:56 AM
 
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1)Philadelphia
2)Chicago
3)Boston
4)San Francisco
I know you're a homer, but there's absolutely no way San Francisco belongs at the bottom of that list.
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Old 06-06-2011, 08:26 AM
 
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Sorry for the wrong calculation. Here are the revise numbers. Ranking still remain the same though.

2011 list of urban area population and density List of urban areas by population - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

1. L.A, 14,940,000, 2244 sq.mi., 6658/sq.mile
2. S.F, 5,780,000, 1028 sq. mi., 5622/sq.mile
3. Phx, 4,100,000, 798 sq.mi, 5138/sq.mile
4. Mia, 5,455,000, 1116 sq.mi, 4888/sq.mile
5. NYC, 20,710,000, 4349 sq.mi, 4762/sq.mile
6. Chi, 9,240,000, 2298 sq.mi, 4021/sq.mile
7. D.C, 4,575,000, 1156 sq.mi, 3957/sq.mile
8. Hou, 5,045,000, 1337 sq.mi, 3773/sq.mile
9. Dal, 5,745,000, 1528 sq.mi, 3760/sq.mile
10. Sea, 3,070,000, 953 sq.mi, 3221/sq.mile
11. Det, 3,880,000, 1261 sq.mi, 3077/sq.mile
12. Phi, 5,340,000, 1799 sq.mi, 2968/sq.mile
13. Atl, 4,750,000, 1962 sq.mi, 2421/sq.mile
14. Bos, 4,825,000, 2123 sq.mi, 2273/sq.mile
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Old 06-06-2011, 08:32 AM
 
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"Weighted" density my friend. The article said PHX had 2.9 mill in 800 sq. miles, according to your chart it is denser than metro Philly which has around 4mil in 800 sq. miles. Out west there are alot less old small towns in the ex-urban expanse that keep the overall density just high enough to be considered "urban" and stretch out the size of the urban area. It just stops, and then there is completely uninhabited deserts or mountains. The exurbs of metro Boston and Philly in praticular, are dotted with so many little boroughs and towns and bonefide cities that there urban footprint is stretched much further out, and thus the density numbers get watered down.
This article was based on Phoenix urban area populaton/density according to the 2000 census. It now has 4,100,000 in 798 sq. miles.
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Old 06-06-2011, 08:50 AM
 
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This article was based on Phoenix urban area populaton/density according to the 2000 census. It now has 4,100,000 in 798 sq. miles.
It's urban area is denser than its core city. Thats odd.
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Old 06-06-2011, 09:22 AM
 
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Phoenix, Scotsdale and Mesa alone are over 800 sq miles and and has just over 2M people all together, so I have no idea how they are coming up with 4.1 in 700sq miles. There is a huge miscalculation somewhere.


Maybe the article got the urban area limits wrong.

Phoenix is passed 500 sq miles
Mesa and Scottsdale are like 180 and 130 sq miles.
Peoria is about 140 sq miles
add in Tempe, Surprise, Gilbert, Glendale and the rest and that 4.1M people come from an area twice as large as the article is suggesting.
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