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We can brag about all the superiority we think we have(blah blah blah) but when it comes to actual size and scope, LA blows us out of the water.
So you have your points, but this isnt one of them. LA is a monster of a megacity whose developed land mass is only outsized, if at all, by either New York and/or Tokyo.
We're talking 18 Million people in the developed world spread out half almost way to Arizona and Nevada yo.
Nevermind the fact that LA has multiple downtown cores, some of which actually go on for miles (Wilshire Boulevard, for example). More or less every journal or body concerned with international rankings of cities lists LA as a megacity/megalopolis. The reason for this is that LA is, indeed, a megacity, in every possible sense of the word, whether someone likes it or not, or thinks it's a positive or negative.
To fully grasp how LA's downtown infrastructure(s) work and how they factor into peoples' lives, one really does have to spend time here.
I suppose that, to an extent, one can argue that the multiple downtown cores are a result of LA's storied sprawl and poor public transit: shopping, restuarant, nightlife cores started and expanded all over greater Los Angeles to reflect the fact that someone who lives in West LA, Marina Del Rey, Santa Monica, Venice, or Mar Vista would have an easier time of getting to Santa Monica than Hollywood for nightlife. Consequently, there are clusters of nightlife in Santa Monica (Promenade, Ocean, and smaller clusters up and down Santa Monica Blvd), as well as multipe office towers and multistory apartment complexes that house thousands of people per block.
One neighborhood in LA has more nightlife, shopping, and dining options than many medium-sized US cities have in their downtown cores.
In other words, you don't like the facts and so choose to dismiss 18Montclairs well-put-together maps. He puts more effort into posting actual facts, with sources, in this forum than 90% of the other posters, yet all half of you guys do is complain when he does it because the truth often doesn't fit your preconceived ideas. In short, grow up.
Hey rah, Im not sure if you caught my question I asked..but its at the top of pg. 9 thanks in advance buddy!
In other words, you don't like the facts and so choose to dismiss 18Montclairs well-put-together maps. He puts more effort into posting actual facts, with sources, in this forum than 90% of the other posters, yet all half of you guys do is complain when he does it because the truth often doesn't fit your preconceived ideas. In short, grow up.
No. There are maps, which are fact. Then there are suppositions drawn from those maps, which are subject to individual interpretation (such as concluding they definitively confirm one city is more "urban" than another).
As to how you chose to conclude your post, I can assure you I am quite grown up. Feel free to continue to insert snideness into your posts, if you feel it adds weight. Including such juvenilia only renders them easier to ignore, and I am not inclined to swallow such bait in any future such posts where you elect to use it. So flail away if you feel you must - your choice.
(BTW: I've already given my opinion on this topic in earlier this thread, along with my rationale for it and have no desire to re-phrase it a dozen different ways.)
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Your overgrown suburb is far from being "one of the largest metropolises in the world". Even with the help of the immigrants from South of the Border that LA recieves daily.
What a fascinating list that is, who could have known that Baltimore would rank between Chicago and San Francisco, or that Philadelphia would not make the list until after Buffalo, NY. How funny is that? Please go find an accurate, credible list. You don't want to embarrass yourself, do you?
The numbers themselves are revealing, if the people who made that list had not screwed up their spreadsheet, Philly would be between Boston and Detroit at #43 on that list. Philly Urban Area population = 6,188,400
Well, when I lived in Venice and worked in Santa Monica, I actually didn't. I lived exactly 1.1 miles door-to-door, and most of my walking commute was on the sand There was a supermarket at the end of my street, there were all manner of restaurants within easy walking distance... it was entirely possible and easy. If anything, it was easier than having to cross traffic on Lincoln and risk getting nailed by the overzealous LAPD.
Truth be told, there were stretches of a month or two where I only took my car out to race in the canyons to the North.
I have friends who live in LA and commute via bike, foot, or use public transit. The fact of the matter is that, more often than not, the cost of car ownership ends up being a wash for paying to live as close to work as possible here in LA. If you can ditch your car and are willing to use zipcar for bigger shopping trips and just walk or bike otherwise, you will save hundreds of dollars per month that can go towards renting a place closer to work.
I live and work in Beverly Hills and just like my car. I could get along OK without it, but, I'm not about getting along "OK"
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) but when it comes to actual size and scope, LA blows us out of the water.
There was a supermarket at the end of my street, there were all manner of restaurants within easy walking distance... it was entirely possible and easy. If anything, it was easier than having to cross traffic on Lincoln and risk getting nailed by the overzealous LAPD.