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CSA population is a BS metric that only urban geeks care about. It has very little relevance to the urban qualities of a city or its global perception.
I would definitely disagree with this. CSA, while not perfect, is certainly better than MSA.
Most reasonable folks would agree that the Bay Area includes Silicon Valley, that LA includes the Inland Empire, and that NYC includes the upscale suburbs to the north.
Great points. For both GDP and GDP per capita, DC and SF beat Chicago on the CSA level. No other lower tier U.S. cities do.
But Chicago has a greater urban footprint, which the other cities won't reach. That's a good point too.
Both Boston and Houston beat Chicago for GDP per capita. Seattle also but that place doesn't even belong in this discussion. I still think Chicago's 3rd but Chicago's status is very attainable because it's a large gap but in future tense not large enough.
If there's another big metro richer than Chicago, I would like to see a link to it. (No personal calculations welcome, homers)
Both Boston and Houston beat Chicago for GDP per capita. Seattle also but that place doesn't even belong in this discussion. I still think Chicago's 3rd but Chicago's status is very attainable because it's a large gap but in future tense not large enough.
If there's another big metro richer than Chicago, I would like to see a link to it. (No personal calculations welcome, homers)
Yes, but I meant DC and SF beat Chicago on overall GDP as well.
DC and SF beat NYC and LA on GDP per capita too. But that comparison is awkward because NYC and LA are much larger and have concentrations of great wealth in many areas.
Yes, but I meant DC and SF beat Chicago on overall GDP as well.
DC and SF beat NYC and LA on GDP per capita too. But that comparison is awkward because NYC and LA are much larger and have concentrations of great wealth in many areas.
Exactly
LA is a tale of 2 metros. The GDP per capita as a MSA finishes respectably with peers like Chicago or Dallas or Miami but when you look at CSA then LA becomes poorer than the others. LA homers are the biggest culprits of MSA to CSA manipulation, when the stats favor them then the I.E. is apart of LA but when it makes them look bad then it's not.
NYC compared to SF or D.C. is a victim of its own mega city size. How it manages to have the 3rd highest per capita of the 12 largest PCSA's with 22 million is astonishing. Imagine how high the core per capita is with NYC, Westchester, Hudson, Bergen, Suffolk, Fairfield? Much higher but this is all speculation, even though I know this fact holds true to avoid delusions don't quote me on the concept. lol
Ive seen at least 8 or 9 posters claim SF is adding Stockton to its CSA, that's what being a victim of size does to you. Stockton will drop their per capita a bit but will add 900K to the bay area population.
3 cities that are close but idk see them coming close soon
Philadelphia ( growing too slow)
Phoenix ( Not powerful enough needs development and another 20 years)
Las Vegas ( needs to diversify A LOT)
I would definitely disagree with this. CSA, while not perfect, is certainly better than MSA.
Most reasonable folks would agree that the Bay Area includes Silicon Valley, that LA includes the Inland Empire, and that NYC includes the upscale suburbs to the north.
If you don't go by CSA, you lose those areas.
He is somewhat right in the sense that most statistics for gpd's around the world only show MSA not CSA.
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