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If college hockey in Boston gets 5,000 at BU and BC it's the same as the Big 5. UNH and UMass Lowell are also in the metro
BU and Northeastern alone are about the same enrollment as thee five schools you allude to in Philly. So why only 5,000 when N. Eastern and BU are BIG schools? And btw BU and BC did not average 5,000 fans- a fair amount less than that. N. Eastern hockey for the size of the school- pathetic attendance- around 2,200 per game last season; and as bad as support for Temple is, Temple basketball still had better attendance than any of the Boston and surrounding area schools you mentioned: but no doubt, Temple's attendance is bad as well, given the size of the school.
UNH- state school of around 15,000. I've seen first hand when the games matter- NCAA tourney games half-an-hour away in Manchester and one step away from reaching the Frozen Four- the arena is at least half empty. And yet all I hear from some UNH grads is how "big" UNH hockey is. Like I've stated, its a niche sport. Villanova averages almost double what any of these Boston schools do for hockey. St Joes and Penn do comparably. LaSalle- not so much. As a composite, we're talking five schools in Philadelphia that generate much more interest than four schools in Boston/Cambridge for hockey per "capita", i.e enrollment size.
I don't know where Philadelphia should rank as an overall sports town. But comparing interest in college hockey any where in New England to college basketball in a lot of places, including Philly, is quite a stretch.
BU and Northeastern alone are about the same enrollment as thee five schools you allude to in Philly. So why only 5,000 when N. Eastern and BU are BIG schools? And btw BU and BC did not average 5,000 fans- a fair amount less than that. N. Eastern hockey for the size of the school- pathetic attendance- around 2,200 per game last season; and as bad as support for Temple is, Temple basketball still had better attendance than any of the Boston and surrounding area schools you mentioned: but no doubt, Temple's attendance is bad as well, given the size of the school.
UNH- state school of around 15,000. I've seen first hand when the games matter- NCAA tourney games half-an-hour away in Manchester and one step away from reaching the Frozen Four- the arena is at least half empty. And yet all I hear from some UNH grads is how "big" UNH hockey is. Like I've stated, its a niche sport. Villanova averages almost double what any of these Boston schools do for hockey. St Joes and Penn do comparably. LaSalle- not so much. As a composite, we're talking five schools in Philadelphia that generate much more interest than four schools in Boston/Cambridge for hockey per "capita", i.e enrollment size.
I don't know where Philadelphia should rank as an overall sports town. But comparing interest in college hockey any where in New England to college basketball in a lot of places, including Philly, is quite a stretch.
Staduims are usually 1/2 empty because other schools have allotments and people are usually not actually there for the other games. Last time UNH made the tournament was 2013 and the Arena was 90% sold.
Also the biggest event of the year, the Beanpot regularly draws 15-17k to the Garden but doesn't count as home attendance. And when you say BC is under 5,000 by a "fair amount" you mean 35? Also there is generally a much bigger difference between OOC in conference matchups in Hockey because for HEA conference matchups are UNH, BC, BU, UConn, Maine, UMass etc., OOC matchups tend to be schools like Mercyherst, American International, Bentley, and Savred Heart, you don't see that drop of petigree in any other sport. If you look at BC they are averaging ~6,800 for HEA matchups vs 3,200 for OOC. Same with UMass and UML there is a huge gulf.
Also UML Hockey did outdraw Temple by 400 fans a game last year.
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[quote=btownboss4;50311355]Staduims are usually 1/2 empty because other schools have allotments and people are usually not actually there for the other games. Last time UNH made the tournament was 2013 and the Arena was 90% sold.>>
Actually about 8300 in a 11,700 seat arena.
<<And when you say BC is under 5,000 by a "fair amount" you mean 35? >>
BC drew less than 4,700 fans per game last season, 59% capacity. A few years ago the arena in nearby Worcester was not well attended with a Frozen Four berth on the line for BC and it resulted in another series of articles about poor attendance and the NCAA looking at changing how the tournament could be formatted.
<<Also UML Hockey did outdraw Temple by 400 fans a game last year.>>
No argument there. Like I said, I'm not going to defend Temple athletics.
Staduims are usually 1/2 empty because other schools have allotments and people are usually not actually there for the other games. Last time UNH made the tournament was 2013 and the Arena was 90% sold.>>
Actually about 8300 in a 11,700 seat arena.
<<And when you say BC is under 5,000 by a "fair amount" you mean 35? >>
BC drew less than 4,700 fans per game last season, 59% capacity. A few years ago the arena in nearby Worcester was not well attended with a Frozen Four berth on the line for BC and it resulted in another series of articles about poor attendance and the NCAA looking at changing how the tournament could be formatted.
<<Also UML Hockey did outdraw Temple by 400 fans a game last year.>>
No argument there. Like I said, I'm not going to defend Temple athletics.
I looked up when Worcester hosts the hockey playoffs it seems like 11,000 or 12,000. I'm not a hockey guy, I'm a basketball guy when Worcester hosts the NCAA you have to enter a lottery to get tickets. I was at there for the Vermont beating Syracuse game, the place was crazy.
according to us-news-world-report, mass is one of the fittest states. people are fairly active in running 5-k's, 10-k's, rec league, cyo, y-leagues, bay state games, ... growing up, maybe 1/3rd of the adults i knew were involved in some amature sports league.
i think pennsylvania and illinois are somewhat high on the list for obesity. are rec leagues popular there ?
according to us-news-world-report, mass is one of the fittest states. people are fairly active in running 5-k's, 10-k's, rec league, cyo, y-leagues, bay state games, ... growing up, maybe 1/3rd of the adults i knew were involved in some amature sports league.
i think pennsylvania and illinois are somewhat high on the list for obesity. are rec leagues popular there ?
Yeah but I'm sure SonnyCrocket has the hardest 6 pack you'll ever see.
Staduims are usually 1/2 empty because other schools have allotments and people are usually not actually there for the other games. Last time UNH made the tournament was 2013 and the Arena was 90% sold.>>
Actually about 8300 in a 11,700 seat arena.
<<And when you say BC is under 5,000 by a "fair amount" you mean 35? >>
BC drew less than 4,700 fans per game last season, 59% capacity. A few years ago the arena in nearby Worcester was not well attended with a Frozen Four berth on the line for BC and it resulted in another series of articles about poor attendance and the NCAA looking at changing how the tournament could be formatted.
<<Also UML Hockey did outdraw Temple by 400 fans a game last year.>>
No argument there. Like I said, I'm not going to defend Temple athletics.
2013 was in Manchester, Verizon Wireless has ~9000 seats, you are thinking of DCU in Worcester.
And with BC my apologies I was looking at 2015-16 not 16-17.
2013 was in Manchester, Verizon Wireless has ~9000 seats, you are thinking of DCU in Worcester.
And with BC my apologies I was looking at 2015-16 not 16-17.
I think I was correct with the correct capacity for Verizon, however it's for basketball; I didn't think it would be any different for hockey, but it is less. I see it at 10,000 • for the current season according to the facility's webpage.
according to us-news-world-report, mass is one of the fittest states. people are fairly active in running 5-k's, 10-k's, rec league, cyo, y-leagues, bay state games, ... growing up, maybe 1/3rd of the adults i knew were involved in some amature sports league.
i think pennsylvania and illinois are somewhat high on the list for obesity. are rec leagues popular there ?
Again, I stated that the context of the question matters immensely. Thru this prism, Boston easily gets my vote of the three.
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