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What about diversity outside of race? Most charts of this only do "race" save for the odd-man-out category of Hispanic (which maybe those graphs you posted do).
Anyhow, the difference between the two areas aren't that severe along racial lines. One is simply much bigger so has much more than the other in everything and has much more clout than the other in a larger number of fields. I understand personal preference for the Bay Area. On the less subjective side of things, the Tri-State is the far more powerful and influential metro.
What about diversity outside of race? Most charts of this only do "race" save for the odd-man-out category of Hispanic (which maybe those graphs you posted do).
Anyhow, the difference between the two areas aren't that severe along racial lines. One is simply much bigger so has much more than the other in everything and has much more clout than the other in a larger number of fields. I understand personal preference for the Bay Area. On the less subjective side of things, the Tri-State is the far more powerful and influential metro.
You keep repeating this, why? I don't recall anyone saying otherwise.
Yes, but I personally wounldnt consider a place is integrated if its not diverse as well. Meaning just because a suburb is 10-15 percent minority and those minorities live amongst White people, that's not out of the ordinary if that minority doesnt have an established community in that area where they are a majority, I mean where else will they live? Especially if its a newer town or exurb or satellite city.
Anyway, here are some interesting maps from the University of Minnesota. To me their criteria are far too lenient but maps are cool to look at:
It appears according to a quick look at the UM link that San Jose is the only Major MSA in the nation that has no places that is predominantly White.
It isn't that there isn't diversity in Orange or Dutchess Counties, but the volume may vary within those counties and in volume in comparison to Bay Area counties. Both counties have long time Black communities and have had a notable presence of Hispanics and Asians for at least a few decades. This doesn't get into the diversity within each group as well. Cities like Poughkeepsie, Newburgh, Middletown and Beacon have a high volume of diversity in that metro and just about every school district has at least a notable amount of Black and Hispanic students, with the same for Asians in some districts. Here is demographic information for some of the HS's in that area: Search for Public Schools - School Detail for Poughkeepsie High School
I think the important point is that being in the tri-state area isn't necessarily causing the socioeconomic diversity--it's only that there continue to be substantial employment and general supporting infrastructure which allow for continuing immigration of working class people rather than just the wealthy.
I also feel that NYC has rampantly on the street level has an incredible amount of things going on in what would be called the shadow economy. This isn't necessarily the obvious stuff of prostitution and drug dealing (though that of course exists), but in things like the huge number of counterfeit luxury consumer goods that get smuggled in and sold on Canal St in a strange relationship between recent Mainland China immigrants from parts of Fujian or Guangdong province and immigrants from both Francophone and Anglophone West African nations, the gigantic service/tourism industry with nightlife going up to 4 am with tips not counted and many businesses asking for cash only, the different ethnic communities livery services which aren't necessarily operating under the official Taxi and Limo Commission, the giant freelance network for various sorts of creative gigs that pay under the table, and a whole slew of other things. It's sort of amazing how this place runs.
It's just that.
NYC's been an immigrant hub for generations not only for wealthy immigrants that want a suitable launch pad for their businesses but also the less educated immigrants that come to the US for their stake in the American dream. NY/NJ/CT clearly has a larger white collar population than all of the bay area thanks to the massive population gap but it also has a larger blue collar/manufacturing population than the bay area. After all I think the Tristate area is the 4th largest manufacturing center in the US behind LA, Chicago, and Houston. We have the much larger port compared to the bay area. These are significant industries that keep our economy more diverse than that of the bay area and it gives more opportunities to people of all socioeconomic backgrounds to coexist in this area.
I'm not saying poverty is a good thing, it's not but it exists in the real world in every country and it exists in the Tristate area too along side wealth and the middle income. Other than a few pockets in the east bay, I'm not convinced that the bay area has this diaspora of socioeconomic diversity. It's not a good thing or bad thing, it just is. Bay areas done a great job at increasing its education and wages though.
Diversity outside of race is also important, sexual preference, religion, culture can open up race a lot. Mots of the country, white is pretty "american" but around NYC white can me a whole host of things.
Because it seems to be a point of terrible concern for some people depending on which horses are in the running.
I really don't see anyone too concerned about NY being a more powerful and influential metro or it being so much larger, except you of course. Kind of stating the obvious here, repeatedly too.
I really don't see anyone too concerned about NY being a more powerful and influential metro or it being so much larger, except you of course. Kind of stating the obvious here, repeatedly too.
Of course being more powerful or influential is no longer important in this topic, that's obvious.
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