NY Tri-State Area vs SF Bay Area (best, compare, place)
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Yeah, that is great info. Im not saying its a landslide, but as far as suburbia in particular, minorities in the Bay Area have penetrated outlying areas to a much higher degree.
Yeah, that is great info. Im not saying its a landslide, but as far as suburbia in particular, minorities in the Bay Area have penetrated outlying areas to a much higher degree.
Are Jews a "minority?"
And I don't really see "escaping to the suburbs" as such a good thing. Especially when the central city does not have many working class neighborhoods for minorities to live in.
Yeah, that is great info. Im not saying its a landslide, but as far as suburbia in particular, minorities in the Bay Area have penetrated outlying areas to a much higher degree.
It definitely started happening in the Bay Area first, but the last decade had the tri-state area entering a similar phase. The other part of it is that urban areas are often the first landing point of immigrants and the tri-state area has multiple smaller, but very urban areas (newark, new haven, bridge, new rochelle, etc.).
And while I understand the positive aspect you're highlighting is integration in the suburbs, I think fleeing to suburbia in general is mostly an awful trend.
Another thing is that, as has been mentioned before, the broad categories of white, hispanic, black, and possibly asian are likely more internally diverse than that of the Bay Area.
And while I understand the positive aspect you're highlighting is integration in the suburbs, I think fleeing to suburbia in general is mostly an awful trend.
His assumption is that minorities in the suburbs are better off than minorities in cities. That's not necessarily the case.
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Originally Posted by OyCrumbler
Another thing is that, as has been mentioned before, the broad categories of white, hispanic, black, and possibly asian are likely more internally diverse than that of the Bay Area.
A Jewish immigrant from the Ukraine is not the same as any ordinary "white." And immigrants from Panama aren't exactly the same as blacks from the American South.
His assumption is that minorities in the suburbs are better off than minorities in cities. That's not necessarily the case.
A Jewish immigrant from the Ukraine is not the same as any ordinary "white." And immigrants from Panama aren't exactly the same as blacks from the American South.
Right, that's what I mean. NYC has a lot of African (and from various regions of Africa), West Indian, and Haitian migrants who would count as black, but this isn't the same culture as African-American. The large number of Israeli, Balkan, Eastern European, North African and Middle Eastern recent arrivals would all count as white, but this isn't the same as the white American culture as we know it. Hispanic would include a pretty diverse array of people from various parts of Latin America (who themselves have different origins) without a strong plurality of any particular group (unless you count all latin caribbean as one group, but you'd get a plurality not a majority still).
The other part to ask is how socioeconomically diverse these immigrants are. Does the Bay Area due to its affluence have a selection bias towards the more affluent? Is it greater social mobility or is it selection bias?
Yeah, that is great info. Im not saying its a landslide, but as far as suburbia in particular, minorities in the Bay Area have penetrated outlying areas to a much higher degree.
Not totally sure but would say the Bay skews this way for the burbs and NYC skews this way for the city. Is one better than another, not sure really
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Originally Posted by OyCrumbler
Well, if we're talking tri-state area, this should go in that topic.
Also by 2010 census (most reliable figures)
Bay Area CSA population: 7.46 million
SF: 0.80 million
SJ: 0.95 million
Oakland: 0.39 million
SF+SJ+Oak: 2.14 million
SF+SJ+Oak as percentage of CSA: 28.16%
New York CSA population: 22.09 million
NYC: 8.24 million
NYC as percentage of CSA: 37.30%
So in a single city as compared to three cities in separate parts of the Bay Area, NYC has a significantly larger share of the CSA's population as a percentage. Wouldn't you then expect NYC to also have a significantly larger share of the foreign-born population? Not that I think this is particularly good measure of anything, but just that this should be accounted for. The other thing to put in is that Puerto Ricans (a very large component of NYC and the CSA's demographics) are not considered foreign-born even though there are some arguably large cultural differences. Whether or not Puerto Rican-born people of the tri-state area are more or less centrally located in NYC, I don't know.
And while I understand the positive aspect you're highlighting is integration in the suburbs, I think fleeing to suburbia in general is mostly an awful trend.
Yes I understand the pitfalls of sprawl and whatnot, but the TriState Area appears to have much larger swaths of areas dominated by Whites whereas the Bay Area, not so much.
12 of the 25 most racially diverse places in the US are in Northern California. I am convinced that this is a result of high cost of living in the inner Bay Area.
3 MSAs that are all adjoined are the 3 most diverse in the nation.
Yes I understand the pitfalls of sprawl and whatnot, but the TriState Area appears to have much larger swaths of areas dominated by Whites whereas the Bay Area, not so much.
Maps are To Scale.
Are those areas including or not including White Hispanic?
Also, can you overlay that over satellite imagery? I'm wondering how densely developed the various areas are in conjunction with this data.
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