Is Oakland to San Francisco like Jersey City is to New York City? (states, state)

[18Montclair]

Furthermore as far as the immediate Oakland Area and immediate SF Area, the educational attainment levels might surprise some here:

Using the areas that are included in Oakland's telephone directory vs the Northern tip of the Peninsula.

Adults with a Bachelor Degree or Higher:

Oakland Area
Piedmont 82.1%
Kensington 77.3%
Emeryville 72.0%
Albany 71.5%
Berkeley 69.0%
Alameda 46.0%
Oakland 37.2%
San Leandro 26.2%

San Francisco Area
San Francisco 51.4%
Brisbane 45.3%
Millbrae 39.1%
Pacifica 38.5%
San Bruno 34.6%
Daly City 33.6%
South San Francisco 31.0%
Colma 30.2%

[nei]

Oakland looks much lower than its neighbors.

[18Montclair]

Originally Posted by nei

Oakland looks much lower than its neighbors.

Oh absolutely. Oakland, a city that is already well above the national average of 28%, is surrounded by extremely educated cities and towns.

On the other hand, Piedmont, the most highly educated place in the urban Bay Area, is comlpletely surrounded by Oakland zip codes that have 70-80% college graduation rates.

Across the bay, once you leave the city, not nearly as much.

[DocGoldstein]

Originally Posted by nei

Oakland looks much lower than its neighbors.

Exactly.

The thing is, comparing SF Bay Area cities to places like "Fresno" gives a really skewed and unreliable comparison.

As you can see from the stats, Oakland only has HALF as many degree holders as Berkeley which is literally Oakland's northern neighbor.

I mean does anyone really consider "Pacifica" a mecca of educated splendor? I don't, but it has a higher percentage of degree holders than Oakland.

Of course, when it comes to home grown education, and not transient people coming to Oakland for work or studies, Oakland fails miserably:
http://blogs.kqed.org/newsfix/2011/0...at-37-percent/

It has the highest high school dropout rate of ANY major metro in California.

edit: Just checked, highest of the WEST COAST (including Seattle, Portland, etc).

[jade408]

Originally Posted by DocGoldstein

Exactly.

The thing is, comparing SF Bay Area cities to places like "Fresno" gives a really skewed and unreliable comparison.

As you can see from the stats, Oakland only has HALF as many degree holders as Berkeley which is literally Oakland's northern neighbor.

I mean does anyone really consider "Pacifica" a mecca of educated splendor? I don't, but it has a higher percentage of degree holders than Oakland.

Of course, when it comes to home grown education, and not transient people coming to Oakland for work or studies, Oakland fails miserably:
http://blogs.kqed.org/newsfix/2011/0...at-37-percent/

Considering Berkeley is a college town and much of the cities residents are connected in the university, that is a pretty typical stat for college towns.

You have yet to prove all of the well educated residents of Oakland are transients. One of many baseless claims.

If anything this stat would refute you idea that Oakland is suffering extreme levels of income status fiction as the college degree attainment rate is "only" a bit above the national average. (Although we all know that the Bay Area is ridiculously expensive due to the large numbers of over achieves and college grads.)

[DocGoldstein]

Originally Posted by jade408

Considering Berkeley is a college town and much of the cities residents are connected in the university, that is a pretty typical stat for college towns.

Oakland gets the benefit of that as well. So it's a push, not only because of CAL, but also Mills, CCA, Samuel Merritt, etc. So don't act like Oakland isn't also the recipient of a large student population as well.

Also I notice you didn't even attempt to discuss Oakland's extremely high drop out rate. Very telling.

[18Montclair]

Furthermore, it turns out a comparison between Oakland and Jersey City is really no contest at all:

Adults with a bachelor degree or higher:

Oakland Area
Piedmont 82.1%
Kensington 77.3%
Emeryville 72.0%
Albany 71.5%
Berkeley 69.0%
Alameda 46.0%
Oakland 37.2%
San Leandro 26.2%

Hudson County, NJ
Hoboken 72.4%
Jersey City 40.6%
Secaucus 38.4%
Guttenberg 34.2%
Bayonne 29.0%
Harrison 26.9%
West New York 25.3%
Kearney 18.8%
East Newark 17.4%
Union City 16.2%

Average Family Income:

Oakland Area
Piedmont $288,951
Kensington $162,718
Berkeley $133,504
Alameda $110,353
Emeryville $108,302
Albany $101,390
Oakland $90,362
San Leandro $85,781

Hudson County, NJ
Hoboken $178,166
Secaucus $109,970
Guttenberg $92,138
Jersey City $85,614
Bayonne $82,253
Kearney $79,795
East Newark $76,872
Harrison $66,998
West New York $65,562
Union City $53,392

So yeah...

[DocGoldstein]

Originally Posted by 18Montclair

Furthermore, it turns out a comparison between Oakland and Jersey City is really no contest at all:

Yeah, Jersey City is much more educated with more degree holders.

Oakland 37.2%

Jersey City 40.6%

[sav858]

Originally Posted by Nineties Flava

Seriously? Oakland's income inequality pales in comparison to the income inequality in the city directly across the Bay Bridge.

Agreed, there are plenty of cities with much worse income inequality than Oakland.

Top 21 cities for income inequality, Oakland is nowhere to be found:
The 21 Most Unequal Cities in America - Business Insider


Some people are just flat out ignorant and drama queens when it comes to Oakland. The city has it's issues but is nowhere near the worst when it comes to income inequality.

[18Montclair]

The Jersey City Area is not as upscale as the Oakland Area, I suspected as much. The Oakland Hills are very hard to beat, too many overachievers.