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1. The area must have more than five million square feet of office space (about the space of a good-sized downtown)
2. The place must include over 600,000 square feet of retail space (the size of a large regional shopping mall)
3. The population must rise every morning and drop every afternoon (i.e., there are more jobs than homes)
4. The place is known as a single end destination (the place "has it all;" entertainment, shopping, recreation, etc.) 5. The area must not have been anything like a "city" 30 years ago (cow pastures would have been nice)
Are you kidding? Could you please present the edge cities you are talking about? I have never seen anything like Arlington, Alexandria, Tyson's Corner, Bethesda, or Silver Spring outside of the D.C. area. Urban CBD's in their own right. New York has Jersey City and Boston has Cambridge, but that's about it and only one for each.
What exactly is unique about them? I'm honestly asking and considering how adamant you are about them being unique I think it would be a fairly easy question to answer.
Also I am really curious to what office demand in DC was like in the 1970's and 1980's, you keep avoiding that question. Didn't there used to be a lot more parking lots and empty lots back then in DC? I question how much this supposed demand for office space actually pushed growth out to the suburbs. You always talk about how DC has all this land available for infill but if there has been so much "demand" why wasn't it infilled back then?
1. The area must have more than five million square feet of office space (about the space of a good-sized downtown)
2. The place must include over 600,000 square feet of retail space (the size of a large regional shopping mall)
3. The population must rise every morning and drop every afternoon (i.e., there are more jobs than homes)
4. The place is known as a single end destination (the place "has it all;" entertainment, shopping, recreation, etc.) 5. The area must not have been anything like a "city" 30 years ago (cow pastures would have been nice)
"Garreau identified 123 places in a chapter of his book called "The List" as being true edge cities and 83 up-and-coming or planned edge cities around the country. "The List" included two dozen edge cities or those in progress in greater Los Angeles alone, 23 in metro Washington, D.C., and 21 in greater New York City"
By your own link you show that edge cities aren't unique to DC at all.
Are you kidding? Could you please present the edge cities you are talking about? I have never seen anything like Arlington, Alexandria, Tyson's Corner, Bethesda, or Silver Spring outside of the D.C. area. Urban CBD's in their own right. New York has Jersey City and Boston has Cambridge, but that's about it and only one for each.
White Plains NY, Medical Center in Houston (techically in the city but more like the DC set up in many ways). Parts of the Bay area resemble this a bit. LA does a lot as well. Bellvue WA. Think Denver has aspects etc
Also part of why Bethesda and SS came to what they are now (and Ballston and Arlington too) was because they were outside city and developed at a time (white flight) when that was desireable
DC had some of the worst white flight of any city actually
It today atracts younger educated folks (less likely to have children) seeking a certain living lifestyle which today is en vogue - trends change
DC in all actuality is not that different from nearly anyplace in this regard in all honesty
"Garreau identified 123 places in a chapter of his book called "The List" as being true edge cities and 83 up-and-coming or planned edge cities around the country. "The List" included two dozen edge cities or those in progress in greater Los Angeles alone, 23 in metro Washington, D.C., and 21 in greater New York City"
By your own link you show that edge cities aren't unique to DC at all.
My point is African's American's would probably have not have made up such a huge part of the city to begin with because the population would have been higher in the city. There would have been more high-rises and higher density. There are so many things that height restriction's effected we might as well not even go into it. Everything we know and think about D.C. would be different. This is a this would change because of this, because of this, because of this, because of this, problem. We can't even begin to talk about it because it changes everything about the region.
On this we just will have to agree to disagree
Today DC has black flight to Prince George County or as they say of this section PG county
No Tysons developed because it is the junction of highways like 495 not the opposite the Buidling came after the roads you have it totally backward
And on Manhattan, absolutely there is a draw for certain things, NYC is probably more the anaomaly than is DC in many ways yet it also huge edge cities and commerce centers - oddly enough centered on Highways and intersections of such highways - MetroPark for example is at the junctures of bascially the Turnpike/GSP/287 Or a place like Parsippany at 22/287/81/281 or Bridgewater at 287/78/202 I can on and on here
Lastly DC would maybe just be more compressed or a smaller footprint, I am seriously doubtful the city would be much more if any population developed. So the core would more resemble maybe the loop - impressive in thepry but still not fostering this demand you speak of. Maybe busier Metro stations in this core
Do you really think the height restrictions have significantly held back DC in any way but taller buildings. It actually may be less gentrified if it were more clustered.
Hosuton and Atlanta and DFW have many edge cities too. DC has more because the Govt complex was draw nothing more or less but I in no way believe had there been less heigth restrictions the number of edge cities would materially different in DC
It seemd like you somehow extraploate trends from the last 15 years to decades and decades prior
Would NASA be in DT, the CIA etc. even the Pentago - I think not
What did you graduate in? I ask because people with PHD's in urban economics and urban planning don't agree with you. What do you do for a living? The mere fact that I am arguing with someone on city-data about a topic that has been studied and published by many is pretty amusing. These aren't even my words. Take that up with Harvard/Stanford/MIT etc. etc. etc. etc.
"Garreau identified 123 places in a chapter of his book called "The List" as being true edge cities and 83 up-and-coming or planned edge cities around the country. "The List" included two dozen edge cities or those in progress in greater Los Angeles alone, 23 in metro Washington, D.C., and 21 in greater New York City"
By your own link you show that edge cities aren't unique to DC at all.
You may want to find out when those developing edge cities appeared. D.C.'s have been around for decades. They say Tyson's Corner was the first in the country. As I said, we started it. Sure, everyone is doing it now, but we were the first. We coined it and even gave it a name.
Hosuton and Atlanta and DFW have many edge cities too. DC has more because the Govt complex was draw nothing more or less but I in no way believe had there been less heigth restrictions the number of edge cities would materially different in DC
Dallas-Fort Worth doesn't have any edge cities, Atlanta and Houston do.
White Plains NY, Medical Center in Houston (techically in the city but more like the DC set up in many ways). Parts of the Bay area resemble this a bit. LA does a lot as well. Bellvue WA. Think Denver has aspects etc
Also part of why Bethesda and SS came to what they are now (and Ballston and Arlington too) was because they were outside city and developed at a time (white flight) when that was desireable
DC had some of the worst white flight of any city actually
It today atracts younger educated folks (less likely to have children) seeking a certain living lifestyle which today is en vogue - trends change
DC in all actuality is not that different from nearly anyplace in this regard in all honesty
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