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View Poll Results: Would you rather live in Boston or Seattle?
Boston 81 36.49%
Seattle 114 51.35%
Neither 27 12.16%
Voters: 222. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 09-21-2020, 10:37 AM
 
Location: Baltimore
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It wasn't just you - there have been several posters in this thread who keep citing median income and %poverty as an absolute measure of wealth across different cities. This doesn't take into account that COL varies dramatically and that the threshold for % poverty is the same across the country. In a lot of ways median income and percent poverty don't tell you much across different metro areas. I'm not exaggerating when I say I know people who live near San Francisco or San Jose who earn 6 figures and are basically living in squalor.
I definitely believe it given the median income for SEATTLE is now 102k..I gotta go check out what SFs median is. Add some childcare costs, student loan debt, healthcare costs and I could see it looking grim.
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Old 09-21-2020, 10:59 AM
 
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It wasn't just you - there have been several posters in this thread who keep citing median income and %poverty as an absolute measure of wealth across different cities. This doesn't take into account that COL varies dramatically and that the threshold for % poverty is the same across the country. In a lot of ways median income and percent poverty don't tell you much across different metro areas. I'm not exaggerating when I say I know people who live near San Francisco or San Jose who earn 6 figures and are basically living in squalor.
100k in the Bay Area is nothing...for families. But a single person can get along just fine imo.
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Old 09-21-2020, 11:05 AM
 
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100k in the Bay Area is nothing...for families. But a single person can get along just fine imo.
https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...ePreview=false

Median Household income in SF is $123k. 161k for whites. 105k for asians. 78k for Hisapnics

Margin of Error for blacks is too large for me to take serious. But its 49k fwiw.

Sidenote: the variaition in COL in this country is just sick at this point. Nevermind income inequality. Not a good sign.
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Old 09-21-2020, 11:07 AM
 
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I definitely believe it given the median income for SEATTLE is now 102k..I gotta go check out what SFs median is. Add some childcare costs, student loan debt, healthcare costs and I could see it looking grim.
Census has Seattle at 85K but that doesn't seem right: https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fa...gton/EDU685218

This is from 2018: https://www.statista.com/statistics/...ies-in-the-us/

It has SF and SJ at 114K median, Seattle at 93K.
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Old 09-21-2020, 11:11 AM
 
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The Census numbers are from 2014-2018.
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Old 09-21-2020, 11:20 AM
 
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The Census numbers are from 2014-2018.
No those are 1-year estimate 2019 numbers, not 5-year census 2018 estimates.

These are standalone for 2019.

For example: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...ePreview=false

This has the 2014-2018 median income estimate fo San Fran at 104,500k. +/ $1500

https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...ePreview=false

2019 median income in San Fran was 123,900 +/4,700

Essentially the 2014-2018 numbers give you a very solid sense of what the city was like in ~2016.

The 2019 1-year estimates give you a slightly less accurate sense of what the city was like in 2019. Obviously income has gone up significantly regardless of MOE.
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Old 09-21-2020, 11:46 AM
 
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The link in Vincent's post is clear that $85,562 is 2014-2018 for Seattle.
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Old 09-21-2020, 11:49 AM
 
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https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...ePreview=false

Median Household income in SF is $123k. 161k for whites. 105k for asians. 78k for Hisapnics

Margin of Error for blacks is too large for me to take serious. But its 49k fwiw.

Sidenote: the variaition in COL in this country is just sick at this point. Nevermind income inequality. Not a good sign.

Using that same source for Seattle:

Median Household income is $102k.

111k for whites.

112k for asians.

78k for Hispanics

43K for Blacks


Again, though, we need context for cost of living - here are some interesting stats for Seattle:

Between 2009 and 2019:

- average home price in Seattle increased by nearly 90% (430K to 760K)

- rent increased by 45%

- median income increased by 70%

This at least partly explains why the homeless crisis has gotten so much worse during that time and why so many people have been displaced from Seattle to cheaper suburbs.

https://www.sammamishmortgage.com/seattle-home-prices/

https://www.noradarealestate.com/blo...estate-market/
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Old 09-21-2020, 11:50 AM
 
Location: Baltimore
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The link in Vincent's post is clear that $85,562 is 2014-2018 for Seattle.
Oh, yea that makes sense. Given that the estimate for 2019 alone is $102k. I had thought you were referring to my links.
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Old 09-21-2020, 11:50 AM
 
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The link in Vincent's post is clear that $85,562 is 2014-2018 for Seattle.
Yeah, BBMM's source was more current - I used it for my latest post.
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