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I never said DTLA is better than DTSF. Good grief. But I do love what's taking place in DTLA. And I love living downtown. You can make all the little snide remarks but in reality we know and see all the greatness that is going on.
I arrived in DT LA around 3ish today, its quite a bit underwhelming as Ive already stated, at street level SF crushes LA period, but I already knew that. Much of LA literally doesnt look like the developed world as far as the grit. That's very odd.
Otoh, the view of the skyline coming north on the 110 is amazing...but dont look at the street.
I arrived in DT LA around 3ish today, its quite a bit underwhelming as Ive already stated, at street level SF crushes LA period, but I already knew that. Much of LA literally doesnt look like the developed world as far as the grit. That's very odd.
Otoh, the view of the skyline coming north on the 110 is amazing...but dont look at the street.
I'll be here til tomorrow afternoon.
I think it was maybe one poster who said DTLA is better than DTSF. I think what most people have been saying instead is that DTLA has been rapidly improving. DTLA is also quite large in terms of what's considered its physical boundaries so there's a lot of variation in neighborhoods you might be talking about. The fashion district is definitely one of the grittier and industrial parts of downtown.
What's really going to be interesting is what downtown LA looks like a couple years after the current slate of under construction rail projects are completed. By that point, most of the remaining parking lots in DTLA will likely be gone and tens of thousands of additional residents will have been added and all of this linked by rail to pretty much every other major business district in the area. Hopefully by then, LA's Measure H will have done something in helping reduce the issue of homelessness.
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I arrived in DT LA around 3ish today, its quite a bit underwhelming as Ive already stated, at street level SF crushes LA period, but I already knew that. Much of LA literally doesnt look like the developed world as far as the grit. That's very odd.
Otoh, the view of the skyline coming north on the 110 is amazing...but dont look at the street.
I'll be here til tomorrow afternoon.
Again,DT of a city doesn't just make it great but since were on that topic let's look at facts.
The core of LA has more than 1 city center"
Outside of DTLA,it still has way more to offer
The Hollywood District of course, arguably the most famous area in America or we can argue with the Times Square area in New York.No street or blvd in Frisco is on such level !!!
Another city center is the Westside,an area with over 1 million alone.Adjacent to Santa Monica and it's city center at the 3rd st promenade.
No need to include Beverly Hills or Century city because I think you get the picture.
And just for the record, Central LA is super urban and damn near as populated as the entire city of San Francisco,
If Central L.A we're it's own city, it'll be one of the most densely populated cities in the country by far.
Central LA n the 2000 census, Central Los Angeles had 836,638 residents in its 57.87 square miles (149.88 km²), including the uninhabited Griffith and Elysian parks, which amounted to 14,458 people per square mile. The densest neighborhood was Koreatown, and the least dense was Elysian Park.[1]
The four densest regions by population were in Central Los Angeles:*Koreatown*with 42,611 residents per square mile, followed by*Westlake, 38,214;*East Hollywood, 31,095, and*Pico-Union, 25,352.[2]
C'mon now, we have areas where there's damn near 43,000 people per mile.
Way more excitement and foot traffic going on in Central LA from DT to Hollywood than anywhere in Frisco.
Matter of fact,DTLA swells to about 800k - 1,000,000 far as everyday traffic.
Once DTLA is fully reconstructed game over.
Now instead of keeping this state battle brewing because of an inferior complex, let's agree that no other state is greater than California and accept LA & SF for what they are.
Again,DT of a city doesn't just make it great but since were on that topic let's look at facts.
The core of LA has more than 1 city center"
Outside of DTLA,it still has way more to offer
The Hollywood District of course, arguably the most famous area in America or we can argue with the Times Square area in New York.No street or blvd in Frisco is on such level !!!
Another city center is the Westside,an area with over 1 million alone.Adjacent to Santa Monica and it's city center at the 3rd st promenade.
No need to include Beverly Hills or Century city because I think you get the picture.
And just for the record, Central LA is super urban and damn near as populated as the entire city of San Francisco,
If Central L.A we're it's own city, it'll be one of the most densely populated cities in the country by far.
Central LA n the 2000 census, Central Los Angeles had 836,638 residents in its 57.87 square miles (149.88 km²), including the uninhabited Griffith and Elysian parks, which amounted to 14,458 people per square mile. The densest neighborhood was Koreatown, and the least dense was Elysian Park.[1]
The four densest regions by population were in Central Los Angeles:*Koreatown*with 42,611 residents per square mile, followed by*Westlake, 38,214;*East Hollywood, 31,095, and*Pico-Union, 25,352.[2]
C'mon now, we have areas where there's damn near 43,000 people per mile.
Way more excitement and foot traffic going on in Central LA from DT to Hollywood than anywhere in Frisco.
Matter of fact,DTLA swells to about 800k - 1,000,000 far as everyday traffic.
Once DTLA is fully reconstructed game over.
Now instead of keeping this state battle brewing because of an inferior complex, let's agree that no other state is greater than California and accept LA & SF for what they are.
Youre bragging about a bunch of greasy looking areas. Hollywood is a dump no matter how famous it is. How bizarre rhat you would mention that area. lol.
And the foot traffic in DT SF trounces everywhere between here and Chicago so not sure why you bring up another losing point. Lmao.
Again,DT of a city doesn't just make it great but since were on that topic let's look at facts.
The core of LA has more than 1 city center"
Outside of DTLA,it still has way more to offer
The Hollywood District of course, arguably the most famous area in America or we can argue with the Times Square area in New York.No street or blvd in Frisco is on such level !!!
Another city center is the Westside,an area with over 1 million alone.Adjacent to Santa Monica and it's city center at the 3rd st promenade.
No need to include Beverly Hills or Century city because I think you get the picture.
And just for the record, Central LA is super urban and damn near as populated as the entire city of San Francisco,
If Central L.A we're it's own city, it'll be one of the most densely populated cities in the country by far.
Central LA n the 2000 census, Central Los Angeles had 836,638 residents in its 57.87 square miles (149.88 km²), including the uninhabited Griffith and Elysian parks, which amounted to 14,458 people per square mile. The densest neighborhood was Koreatown, and the least dense was Elysian Park.[1]
The four densest regions by population were in Central Los Angeles:*Koreatown*with 42,611 residents per square mile, followed by*Westlake, 38,214;*East Hollywood, 31,095, and*Pico-Union, 25,352.[2]
C'mon now, we have areas where there's damn near 43,000 people per mile.
Way more excitement and foot traffic going on in Central LA from DT to Hollywood than anywhere in Frisco.
Matter of fact,DTLA swells to about 800k - 1,000,000 far as everyday traffic.
Once DTLA is fully reconstructed game over.
Now instead of keeping this state battle brewing because of an inferior complex, let's agree that no other state is greater than California and accept LA & SF for what they are.
Central LA likely has a much higher population now than from the 2000 census and perhaps a higher population than SF does now, but its hard to argue that there's a lot more foot traffic going on in Central LA than in San Francisco. There is certainly less foot traffic in Koreatown, despite its density, than a similarly dense neighborhood in San Francisco because a lot of people going there would have driven there and the layout of Koreatown isn't as conducive to walking as it could be. There's still a ton of foot traffic--just not as much as its density might have one believe.
There are a lot of different business districts in LA, and while that might arguably take away from downtown LA, the good thing is that they're all still growing and they are being better linked to each other. The hope is that once there's enough infill and transit linkage among these, the city sort of hits an inflection point where all these walkable nodes gel into a more cohesive whole. Urban LA doesn't usually get the credit that its vast improvement in recent years merit, but it's still a work in progress. The good thing is that work is being done rapidly.
Thanks but you dont have to worry about that, I'll be flying back to the United States this evening
Bye, Bye
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