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View Poll Results: Brightest Future
Sacramento 100 85.47%
Fresno 10 8.55%
Bakersfield 7 5.98%
Voters: 117. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 04-01-2017, 02:04 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Chimérique View Post
2015 GROSS DOMESTIC PRODUCT in Millions of Dollars

SACRAMENTO Metro Area- $118,822

Fresno Metro Area - $38,830

Bakersfield Metro Area - $35,839

Fresno's Metro is twice the size of Bakersfield's Metro so you would think Fresno Metro would have twice the GDP, but it does not. Either Bakersfield is very productive or Fresno is very unproductive.

Sacramento Metro is twice the size of Fresno's Metro yet Sacramento's Metro has more than three (3) times the GDP as Fresno. Sacramento is much more per productive per capita than Fresno.
Bakersfield's metro is not twice as small as Fresno's. Wtf! Almost 900k vs 1 million

Google says Sacramento is almost four hours to Yosemite valley and Fresno is 2 hours 20 minutes.

Start fact checking, please. You'd get into less arguments if you did.


Edit: google now says sac is 3:40 to Yosemite valley. Google used to say 3:52, I guess a closed freeway must have opened up recently. Its still more than an hour behind

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Old 04-01-2017, 02:18 PM
 
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Anyone who thinks Fresno can match up to Sacramento hasn't spent time in either. Fresno has a ton of potential, but kinda botches everything it attempts - if they can pull off the reopening of Fulton street it might do great things for the city core, but I wouldn't hold my breath. Being in the valley, Sac has everything that makes Fresno good (proximity to mountains, mild winters, great produce - the surrounding area of Sac is way nicer than the Fresno area, too, with the exception of Yosemite and Kings Canyon in Fresno) but has qualities of an actual city (walkable core, night life, usable transit, a downtown that doesn't look like a post-apocalyptic zombie movie). Plus the proximity to the Bay Area will always be in Sac's favor.
Fresno has cheaper land than sac, less flood risk, and has a much better HSR location.
Fresno should be growing faster in GDP than sac because its so much cheaper and less developed, but I won't believe it until I see it. I don't have a lot of faith in Fresno's politicians.
 
Old 04-01-2017, 08:18 PM
 
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Downtown Sac to Tahoe: 1hr, 57 mins

Sac to Yosemite: 3 hours, 38 mins

Fresno to Tahoe: 4 hours, 18 mins

Fresno to Yosemite: 2 hours, 24 mins

Folsom to Tahoe: 1 hour, 41 mins

Clovis to Yosemite: 2 hours, 26 mins

Sacramento/Folsom is closer to Tahoe than Fresno/Clovis is to Yosemite

Sacramento is closer to Yosemite than Fresno is to Tahoe.

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Old 04-01-2017, 08:25 PM
 
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Fresno has cheaper land than sac, less flood risk, and has a much better HSR location.
Fresno should be growing faster in GDP than sac because its so much cheaper and less developed, but I won't believe it until I see it. I don't have a lot of faith in Fresno's politicians.

There are places in the middle of the Mojave that have cheaper land and less flood risk - In terms of being an actual city, Fresno has a lot of catch up to do to make it to Sacramento status. Like I said, huge potential, just not being met.
 
Old 04-01-2017, 08:37 PM
 
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Downtown Sac to Tahoe: 1hr, 57 mins

Sac to Yosemite: 3 hours, 38 mins

Fresno to Tahoe: 4 hours, 18 mins

Fresno to Yosemite: 2 hours, 24 mins

Folsom to Tahoe: 1 hour, 41 mins

Clovis to Yosemite: 2 hours, 26 mins

Sacramento/Folsom is closer to Tahoe than Fresno/Clovis is to Yosemite

Sacramento is closer to Yosemite than Fresno is to Tahoe.
Google.com has sac to Yosemite valley at 3:39(it dropped from 3:40)

Fresno to Yosemite valley is now at 2 hours 9 minutes

I'll take googles word over your word anyday of the week.

Tahoe is awesome, but Fresno has some very nice lakes nearby that can fill the lake void. There's only one place like Yosemite.

I prefer Yosemite over tahoe, but to each his own. There's no wrong choice between the two.


Edit: sacramento (whose talking about Folsom and Clovis?) To lake Tahoe is 2:06 on google, lol. You win by 3 minutes! Congrats
 
Old 04-01-2017, 08:49 PM
 
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There are places in the middle of the Mojave that have cheaper land and less flood risk - In terms of being an actual city, Fresno has a lot of catch up to do to make it to Sacramento status. Like I said, huge potential, just not being met.
That stuff matters when you're trying to gentrify a downtown tho. Companies would rather spend money where the cost to do business is cheaper and there's no risk of a tsunami/flooding(yes, parts of sac are at it risk of a tsunami). If all goes well, Fresno's downtown should be thriving before HSR gets finished. Fingers crossed
 
Old 04-01-2017, 10:17 PM
 
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I prefer Sacramento
 
Old 04-02-2017, 10:02 AM
 
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That stuff matters when you're trying to gentrify a downtown tho. Companies would rather spend money where the cost to do business is cheaper and there's no risk of a tsunami/flooding(yes, parts of sac are at it risk of a tsunami). If all goes well, Fresno's downtown should be thriving before HSR gets finished. Fingers crossed
I sincerely hope Fresno's downtown makes a come back. Sacramento's downtown/midtown are currently outpacing Fresno's development quite a bit, with noticeable results - flood risk and price of real estate aren't stopping development in Sacramento's central districts. As far as Fresno, once Fulton is opened up we will see - I've heard there has been a lot of interest on that street amongst developers. And I'd say it's a safe bet downtown Fresno will be redeveloped well before HSR is completed in 50 years (if ever).
 
Old 04-02-2017, 10:03 AM
 
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This thread should be Stockton - Modesto - Fresno - Bakersfield. Far fairer discussion.

Leave Sacramento out, as it will, by default, have a short- and long-term advantage over these other cities.
 
Old 04-02-2017, 05:09 PM
 
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Leave Sacramento out, as it will, by default, have a short- and long-term advantage over these other cities.
Not sure what you mean by short term and long term advantage? I can speculate, but it better if you explained exactly what you mean?

Not sure what is wrong with these comparisons as they are the 3 largest Central Valley cities. If one is looking for Central Valley cities with the largest populations and largest job opportunities these would be the three.
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