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Old 02-27-2014, 11:55 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Red John View Post
Above 90 walkscore:
New York: 4,768,050
San Francisco: 341,160
Chicago: 334,395
Philadelphia: 246,181
Los Angeles: 163,967
Washington: 137,889
Boston: 128,406
Seattle: 117,798
Miami: 13,702

By percentage of total population (above 90):
New York: 57.19%
San Francisco: 41.31%
Washington: 21.81%
Boston: 20.17%
Seattle: 18.56%
Philadelphia: 15.91%
Chicago: 12.32%
Los Angeles: 4.25%
Miami: 3.31%

Never realized New York had more 90 plusers than the entire population of Boston, San Francisco, or Phoenix MSA's, respectively. Impressive how much Seattle's caught up to Washington and Boston.
13,702 is a real low population count for downtown Miami. There are more condo units than that.... I believe the number is around 71000 for downtown, which would make it 17% living +90 walkscore.
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Old 02-27-2014, 12:09 PM
 
Location: New Orleans
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Look at the pictures I posted of Koreatown earlier... How is that any way hostile to pedestrians? K-town is huge so I'm not sure you can say you e been there yet think its not pedestrian friendly?
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Old 02-27-2014, 12:17 PM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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Of course you don't, it doesn't confirm your bias. It refutes it.

London almost certainly has huge swaths with 100-95 walk scores, with millions living in them, so no need to deflect. US city, no need to deflect. Boston isn't in that area code as far as walkability, neither is LA.
Boston has an area within its core that can rival London in terms of walkability (Back Bay to the North End). It's simply that that area is only a few square miles large. Los Angeles, on the other hand, has no areas that rival London's. The difference between Boston and London is somewhat form, but largely scale. The difference between Los Angeles and London is entirely form.

If I had to rank a variety of cities in walkability, it would be something like...

Paris
Barcelona

London
NYC




Boston
SF
Philadelphia
DC
Chicago

Baltimore


Seattle
Portland

Los Angeles
Miami
New Orleans
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Old 02-27-2014, 12:30 PM
 
Location: Grand Forks, ND
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Btw - if you have time, care to do a few others? Portland, Baltimore, Pittsburgh, Minneapolis, Denver etc ... would all be interesting how they stack up on that metric.
Above 90 walkscore:
New York: 4,768,050
San Francisco: 341,160
Chicago: 334,395
Philadelphia: 246,181
Los Angeles: 163,967
Washington: 137,889
Boston: 128,406
Seattle: 117,798
Portland: 49,992
Baltimore: 43,619
Miami: 13,702
Minneapolis: 13,103
Denver: 10,879
Pittsburgh: 3,481

By percentage of total population (above 90):
New York: 57.19%
San Francisco: 41.31%
Washington: 21.81%
Boston: 20.17%
Seattle: 18.56%
Philadelphia: 15.91%
Chicago: 12.32%
Portland: 8.56%
Baltimore: 7.02%
Los Angeles: 4.25%
Minneapolis: 3.42%
Miami: 3.31%
Denver: 1.71%
Pittsburgh: 1.14%

Portland holds up pretty well considering the size difference. Denver, Minneapolis, and especially Pittsburgh are shockingly low. Most consider Seattle's closest competitors to be Minneapolis and Denver but they have absolutely left them in the dust!
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Old 02-27-2014, 12:32 PM
 
Location: So California
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Minimum had to be 10 square miles. Not confined to just it.

Also I don't have a dog in this fight. I was just posting information that was asked for.

My personal preference is New York but I've always been able to handle the scale-backs with Toronto and Chicago nicely. See, I'm a car owner, and I quite love my car as well, however my ideal environment is an urban and walkable one. Where my car is for longer range trips.

What's the solution? An urban design that's balanced with all modes, pedestrian and bike friendly, as well as adaptable nicely for vehicles. Honestly, the older I get, the more this sort of design appeals more to me. Though, the scale-backs is the reason why neither Chicago nor Toronto can sustain the vibrancy Manhattan has or the density.

For someone like me though, I consider it the next leg up in favorable design.

I'm not so familiar with Los Angeles anymore. Haven't seen the city in ages honestly speaking, haven't had any issues with it either, so my opinions on it's urban design is useless since it's been years (4-5) since I've seen it. I like Los Angeles plenty, also respect it, one day I'll get around to seeing the new Los Angeles.

Los Angeles is a work in progress. American cities are still very young, especially LA, when compared with European cities.
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Old 02-27-2014, 12:50 PM
 
Location: Downtown LA
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Why does income matter much? Walkable is walkable.
No, don't you see? Its not walkable unless it has Urban Outfitters and a Pret a Manger.

Grapico outed himself as a classist a few pages back when I posted some photos of DTLA. Instead of refuting its walkability on the merits of urban design, he went with "Eww there are dollar stores and a Big Lots in the background of one photo."

Oh noes! Here come the poors!!
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Old 02-27-2014, 12:51 PM
 
Location: NYC
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Originally Posted by jaboyd1 View Post
Above 90 walkscore:
New York: 4,768,050
San Francisco: 341,160
Chicago: 334,395
Philadelphia: 246,181
Los Angeles: 163,967
Washington: 137,889
Boston: 128,406
Seattle: 117,798
Portland: 49,992
Baltimore: 43,619
Miami: 13,702
Minneapolis: 13,103
Denver: 10,879
Pittsburgh: 3,481

By percentage of total population (above 90):
New York: 57.19%
San Francisco: 41.31%
Washington: 21.81%
Boston: 20.17%
Seattle: 18.56%
Philadelphia: 15.91%
Chicago: 12.32%
Portland: 8.56%
Baltimore: 7.02%
Los Angeles: 4.25%
Minneapolis: 3.42%
Miami: 3.31%
Denver: 1.71%
Pittsburgh: 1.14%

Portland holds up pretty well considering the size difference. Denver, Minneapolis, and especially Pittsburgh are shockingly low. Most consider Seattle's closest competitors to be Minneapolis and Denver but they have absolutely left them in the dust!
Thanks. Yeah Portland is pretty impressive though not surprising given how much it's been lauded for its smart urban policies.

Surprised to see Pittsburgh perform so poorly. It does look like it has a few neighborhoods that just missed the cut -- in the 87-88 range. The 90 cut off is arbitrary of course (why not 85?) but I suspect the pecking order would be about the same even if lowered the bar slightly.
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Old 02-27-2014, 12:58 PM
 
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No, don't you see? Its not walkable unless it has Urban Outfitters and a Pret a Manger.

Grapico outed himself as a classist a few pages back when I posted some photos of DTLA. Instead of refuting its walkability on the merits of urban design, he went with "Eww there are dollar stores and a Big Lots in the background of one photo."

Oh noes! Here come the poors!!
Well good thing Downtown LA now has an Urban Outfitters and that Zara flagship store opening up...

Yay, gentrification! Take that Spike Lee...
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Old 02-27-2014, 01:01 PM
 
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I think that a certain amount of safety comes with walkability. So areas that are lower income that have better urban design might be less walkable at night due to safety issues. This certainly was the case with most of DTLA, and still the case in skid row areas. I believe areas like Westlake, Boyle Heights and Historic South Central will be continue to get safer for pedestrians as more amenities pour in these areas.
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Old 02-27-2014, 01:03 PM
 
Location: New Orleans
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Well good thing Downtown LA now has an Urban Outfitters and that Zara flagship store opening up...

Yay, gentrification! Take that Spike Lee...

Is it really gentrification if nobody is being displaced? People are moving into former abandoned warehouses and garment factories. That and the fact we are building over parking spaces.
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