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Wrong. 4 seasons are a reality for the Northern half of the country, and a few isolated areas (mainly at high elevations) in the Southern half. For a pretty large part of the country, fall simply means the leaves turn brown and it ceases to be oppressively hot. I live in a 4 season climate, and trust me... it's VERY different from what they experience in the Southern half of the U.S. (And I mean the entire Southern half, not just the Southeast) or the California coast. The 4 seasons here in Eastern WA are very distinct and well defined, whereas in cities like those I listed earlier, it's really just 2 seasons; a long hot summer and a brief, cool-to-warm winter with the occasional cold snap.
I'm really not sure why you carried on about San Francisco's climate in response to me. I have no dog in that fight.
But most of the population lives somewhere where there are 4 seasons. That is what I really meant, guess I should have been more clear. So in that regard, more people would want/imagine/expect summer to be hot. And in most of the rest of the country, they also expect or want summer to be hot, or warm at the very least. Summer isn't a season associated with staying indoors, drinking hot drinks and cuddling by the fireplace (which is what happens in summer in San Francisco). It's generally associated with swimming, being outdoors and enjoying the sun and warmth.
But most of the population lives somewhere where there are 4 seasons. That is what I really meant, guess I should have been more clear. So in that regard, more people would want/imagine/expect summer to be hot. And in most of the rest of the country, they also expect or want summer to be hot, or warm at the very least. Summer isn't a season associated with staying indoors, drinking hot drinks and cuddling by the fireplace (which is what happens in summer in San Francisco). It's generally associated with swimming, being outdoors and enjoying the sun and warmth.
Guess what? Summer doesn't mean "staying indoors, drinking hot drinks and cuddling by the fireplace" where I live either. It also doesn't mean suffering heat stroke, bopping from an air-conditioned house to an air-conditioned car, to an air-conditioned job, with just enough time in between to sweat to death. I don't live in San Francisco, and like I said I have no dog in that fight.
You say "most" of the nation's population lives in a 4 season climate. Maybe, but then there's that "tiny minority" of people living in places like Los Angeles, San Francisco, San Diego, Phoenix, Las Vegas, Tucson, El Paso, San Antonio, Austin, Dallas-Ft. Worth, Houston, New Orleans, Atlanta, Miami, Orlando, Tampa, Jacksonville, etc. etc. etc.
I've read many of your posts, both in this thread and others, and the common theme that keeps popping up is that you really love hot weather and hate even mildly cold weather. And that's fine. Everybody has their own personal preference, but don't assume that's what everybody else likes or wants. What you consider "warm", I consider uncomfortably hot. To me, warm means no hotter than 79 degrees, and no higher humidity than 40%. I know many others who share my opinion on that.
So are you suggesting that most people want a chilly or cold summer? I think it is pretty much a fact that most people enjoy a warm summer, sometimes a hot one. Otherwise, we wouldn't see commercials on TV for buying bathing suits, or hear advertisements on the radio for hitting the beach/shore, checking out the newest water park, etc.
So are you suggesting that most people want a chilly or cold summer? I think it is pretty much a fact that most people enjoy a warm summer, sometimes a hot one. Otherwise, we wouldn't see commercials on TV for buying bathing suits, or hear advertisements on the radio for hitting the beach/shore, checking out the newest water park, etc.
How the hell did you interpret my posts as suggesting that? And why are you going on about a "chilly or cold" summer? Where does this even exist in the populated areas of the lower 48? Oh, you must be referring to SF again, and for the last time... I don't live there. I also don't watch much tv or listen to the radio, and could care less about swimsuit ads. What does that have to do with anything? I have no problem whatsoever swimming outdoors when temps are in the 70's. In what universe is that temp range considered "chilly and cold"? Go back and read what I said again, or don't. This debate is going nowhere. Enjoy your high 90's and have a nice day.
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First of all, I do not like "hot weather". I like warm weather...although I am fine with 90sF if I am swimming in the pool or the ocean.
Secondly, I never said the 70sF is cold. Seattle, Vancouver, Portland, many parts of coastal California and New England see those temps for summer. Very warm and comfortable. But perhaps not the best weather for swimming, unless you have a very warm ocean or heated pool.
I always find the dewpoint to be the most relevant factor in determining comfort levels. Anything above 60 degree gets uncomfortable whereas 70's are oppressive. I prefer overall less sticky summers although brief spells of humidity are part of a balanced Summer.
Worst Summers:
Houston
Miami
Dallas
St Louis
Washington DC
Best Summers:
San Diego
Minneapolis - St Paul
Denver
Los Angeles
SF Bay Area
I always find the dewpoint to be the most relevant factor in determining comfort levels. Anything above 60 degree gets uncomfortable whereas 70's are oppressive. I prefer overall less sticky summers although brief spells of humidity are part of a balanced Summer.
Worst Summers:
Houston
Miami
Dallas
St Louis
Washington DC
Best Summers:
San Diego Minneapolis - St Paul
Denver
Los Angeles
SF Bay Area
Have you ever actually lived in MSP during the summer? The Twin Cities have some of the worst summer weather around. It's extremely hot and humid, they get tons of major thunderstorms, and the mosquitos are terrible.
Have you ever actually lived in MSP during the summer? The Twin Cities have some of the worst summer weather around. It's extremely hot and humid, they get tons of major thunderstorms, and the mosquitos are terrible.
Apparently YOU haven't lived in MSP during the Summer. Extremely Hot and Humid? No that is the Southeast which also has a problem with mosquitoes. It does get Hot and humid there but it does not last all Summer let alone more than about a week at a time. That area gets frequent Canadian air that provides relief. Check out Weather Spark or the NWS data and you'll see MSP has about a 2 to 3 week period during Summer deemed uncomfortable based on dew point. Now the Winters are easily among the worst in the US but that's nothing that Cleveland would have an upper hand in. Also, the data indicates Cleveland has way Muggier Summers. I better update that to the list of Worst Summer weather cities.
So, yes I am quite familiar with the weather in both MSP and DEN as having lived in both areas.
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