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View Poll Results: Will or Has Phoenix Passed Philly in City Population?
Phoenix will eventually pass Philly in city population 64 58.72%
Phoenix has already passed Philly in city population 19 17.43%
No Philly will remain ahead of Phoenix in city population 15 13.76%
I'm not sure could swing either way 11 10.09%
Voters: 109. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 03-10-2015, 08:29 AM
 
Location: Minneapolis (St. Louis Park)
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Again, if water supplies do get too low, the first cut backs will be to farmers, not citizens. Especially since they are are using 70% of the water resources in AZ.
There's your canary in a cole mine then -- once that happens the end is nigh!

 
Old 03-10-2015, 12:31 PM
 
Location: Surprise, AZ
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Don't bother. Poster hates everything in the South/Southwest.
Yeah there are a ton of them here on CD...all around.
 
Old 03-10-2015, 08:53 PM
 
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What took philly 300 years Phoenix has done in 100, so i would say it will surpass.
 
Old 03-10-2015, 09:04 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
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What took philly 300 years Phoenix has done in 100, so i would say it will surpass.
What did they do?
 
Old 03-10-2015, 09:11 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia, PA
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What took philly 300 years Phoenix has done in 100, so i would say it will surpass.
What exactly has Phoenix done? It has done absolutely nothing and is nowhere even close to Philly's level on any measurable aspect in which we judge cities.

If you're talking about population, yes it did that by annexing land to 600 sq miles vs. Philadelphia's 134 sq miles.

Did you see the ranking of cities if all cities were the same size? If Philadelphia and Phoenix both were 200 square miles, Philadelphia would be the 4th largest city in the US, Phoenix would be the 16th.

1. New York, NY: 5,859,411 #1
2. Los Angeles, CA: 2,955,825 #2
3. Chicago, IL: 2,189,593 #3
4. Philadelphia, PA: 1,961,742 #5
5. Washington, DC: 1,697,692 #23
6. Boston, MA: 1,570,632 #24
7. San Jose, CA: 1,388,537 #10
8. Las Vegas, NV: 1,184,445 #30
9. Baltimore, MD: 1,119,791 #26
10. Denver, CO: 1,117,377 #22
11. Houston, TX: 1,099,111 #4
12. San Francisco, CA: 1,090,727 #14
13. Minneapolis, MN: 1,045,344 #46
14. San Diego, CA: 1,028,040 #8
15. Portland, OR: 966,613 #29
16. Phoenix, AZ: 932,502 #6

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Old 03-10-2015, 10:54 PM
 
Location: Surprise, AZ
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What exactly has Phoenix done? It has done absolutely nothing and is nowhere even close to Philly's level on any measurable aspect in which we judge cities.

If you're talking about population, yes it did that by annexing land to 600 sq miles vs. Philadelphia's 134 sq miles.

Did you see the ranking of cities if all cities were the same size? If Philadelphia and Phoenix both were 200 square miles, Philadelphia would be the 4th largest city in the US, Phoenix would be the 16th.

1. New York, NY: 5,859,411 #1
2. Los Angeles, CA: 2,955,825 #2
3. Chicago, IL: 2,189,593 #3
4. Philadelphia, PA: 1,961,742 #5
5. Washington, DC: 1,697,692 #23
6. Boston, MA: 1,570,632 #24
7. San Jose, CA: 1,388,537 #10
8. Las Vegas, NV: 1,184,445 #30
9. Baltimore, MD: 1,119,791 #26
10. Denver, CO: 1,117,377 #22
11. Houston, TX: 1,099,111 #4
12. San Francisco, CA: 1,090,727 #14
13. Minneapolis, MN: 1,045,344 #46
14. San Diego, CA: 1,028,040 #8
15. Portland, OR: 966,613 #29
16. Phoenix, AZ: 932,502 #6

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Hasn't it already been established that this metric is flawed? Furthermore, why are people still arguing about these two quite DIFFERENT types of cities. I guess I just expect more from such a "creative" thinking crowd who frequents CD. Why aren't people celebrating the differences between cities rather than trying to make each one a carbon copy of the next one? Absolutely ridiculous...
 
Old 03-11-2015, 06:45 AM
 
Location: Below 59th St
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Hasn't it already been established that this metric is flawed? Furthermore, why are people still arguing about these two quite DIFFERENT types of cities. I guess I just expect more from such a "creative" thinking crowd who frequents CD. Why aren't people celebrating the differences between cities rather than trying to make each one a carbon copy of the next one? Absolutely ridiculous...
Because CD is a forum where anatomical appendages are carefully measured. And people take great care to accrue factoids and construct the most ridiculous, fallacious statistics to... make themselves feel better, I guess.

What's even more hilarious is when they ignore the work of peer reviewed researchers to wave around wikipedia stats because 'the facts don't lie'. Sometimes I wonder about the intersection between the internet fact lobbers around here and Dr Googlers, climate change Voltaires and anti-vaxxers.

Anyway, there's a good chance that Phoenix will soon pass Philly in population. And if they don't, they'll annex another 1000 sq miles to make it happen. CSA == city, dontcha know.
 
Old 03-11-2015, 08:12 AM
 
Location: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
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I don't understand why people don't try to create a counterargument instead of complaining..

I will do it for them..

What is great about Phoenix compared to Philly? Easily the weather, QOL, probably COL, the school system has to be better, and the infrastructure such as roads, bridges, pipes, etc. aren't 200 plus years old and falling apart. All of these things are more easily achieved in a less dense environment and Phoenix does them well. Arizona is a beautiful state with lots of very unique scenery and adventures to be had.

I love dogs, and I refuse to get one while I live in Philadelphia. It just would not be fair for me to keep it in my tiny apartment. I feel as though if I lived in Phoenix, given just the extra space everywhere around, I might consider getting one.
 
Old 03-11-2015, 09:15 AM
 
Location: Scottsdale, AZ
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What exactly has Phoenix done? It has done absolutely nothing and is nowhere even close to Philly's level on any measurable aspect in which we judge cities.

We're not talking about sophistication, culture, etc. We're talking about population. And yes, I believe Phoenix will pass Philly soon.
 
Old 03-11-2015, 10:04 AM
 
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Originally Posted by AZLiam View Post
Hasn't it already been established that this metric is flawed? Furthermore, why are people still arguing about these two quite DIFFERENT types of cities. I guess I just expect more from such a "creative" thinking crowd who frequents CD. Why aren't people celebrating the differences between cities rather than trying to make each one a carbon copy of the next one? Absolutely ridiculous...
What metric isn't flawed, though? The claim that Philly is going to be passed up by Phoenix is arguably significantly more flawed because it's based on Phoenix' city limits being MUCH larger, not that it is actually a larger city. People seem to be perfectly fine using an apples to oranges comparison here to prop Phoenix up higher than it realistically should be. Cities with enormous city boundaries are artificially inflated and everyone knows it. It's pretty obvious that the more square mileage you tack on to a city, the higher the population is going to be. If Phoenix added most of Arizona, it'd be bigger than NYC! Right? But is that really accurate to the true size of the core city? No way. Neither are current boundaries in most cases.
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