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Really? Because most of the South Asians who the white people in this suburb I mentioned were complaining about probably have TWICE the household income that they do and are actually much more upper class than they are. So what else would the white residents who were in the suburb first be complaining about, besides a different race and culture becoming more prominent in their nighborhood than them and theirs?
I was joking.
As much as some people want to attribute a lack of Hispanic middle class neighborhoods in California to Obama post-racialism, it's clear that structural inequities play an equal if not greater role. Not every Hispanic person must live in a majority Hispanic middle class neighborhood, but the fact there are hardly any, when they will soon be the majority population in California, is a bit ridiculous. I would expect this to be the case in Minnesota, but Cali?
What am I going to "project"? I don't have any strong feelings about the word because my grandfather wasn't the one writing racially restrictive covenants into land deeds, yanking his kids from schools because of rumors of White children enrolling, blockbusting, administering literacy tests, etc. It's not a legacy I even remotely feel responsible for in any type of vicarious capacity or otherwise.
Could have fooled me, sure seems like you do.
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There are more than 600,000 Blacks with college degrees in the U.S. But the big thing is that Black educational attainment in certain metros is much higher. And living around educated Blacks is as much the norm as it is for Whites in Marin County living around Whites.
Like you said, percentages and raw numbers matter. Some places have the raw numbers to support such communities for Hispanics but not the highest % of education. Lower levels of education certainly could be part of it I don't think that explains it all.
As much as some people want to attribute a lack of Hispanic middle class neighborhoods in California to Obama post-racialism, it's clear that structural inequities play an equal if not greater role. Not every Hispanic person must live in a majority Hispanic middle class neighborhood, but the fact there are hardly any, when they will soon be the majority population in California, is a bit ridiculous. I would expect this to be the case in Minnesota, but Cali?
That's how you know we are all being trolled. Carry on people.
I don't have a visceral, negative reaction to the word the way many White people do, no. Why would I?
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Like you said, percentages and raw numbers matter. Some places have the raw numbers to support such communities for Hispanics but not the highest % of education. Lower levels of education certainly could be part of it I don't think that explains it all.
The Black middle class in the United States is what I'd consider small. The Hispanic middle class is even smaller in raw numbers and definitely on a percentage basis. There are likely few Hispanic middle class neighborhoods for the same reason there are so few Black middle class neighborhoods.
I think it's sad mostly because it's a reflection of low levels of educational attainment. As swell as the post-racial narrative sounds, the reality is that there aren't really enough Hispanic professionals to form those types of communities even if they wanted to live in one (except for maybe the Miami area). In California, where Hispanics may soon become a majority of the state's population, it is certainly surprising that there are so few.
Some White people say that Blacks in the DC area and Atlanta are "self-segregating," but I don't really see it that way. The Black professional class is simply so large in those metros that you really don't have to make much of an effort to be around that demographic. The "default" everywhere doesn't always have to be non-Hispanic White.
They always accuse minorities(mostly directed at Blacks) of self segregation whenever a predominant middle class upwardly mobile group of minorities cluster together in certain communities. So what do we call what Whites in Portland, Seattle, Denver, etc are doing? The onus is always put on minorities to move into white neighborhoods and integrate ourselves, as if White Flight is a myth. If those previously White neighborhoods start to get a little darker, than who's gonna do the leaving? I see nothing wrong with this thread or the Black version of this thread.
I think we need to come up with terms other than "segregation" and "integration" because people like to throw those words around like weapons. In some cases, it's similar to the cries of "reverse racism" and "double standards."
People hear the word "segregation" and assume it's the pernicious variety African Americans knew in the Deep South. By law, my father had to step off a sidewalk when a white person approached. He couldn't even attend the flagship school in his home state, which is how the historically black university came about. That was segregation. I'm not sure how we've come to equate that word with affluent, majority Black neighborhoods in Atlanta ("segregation!").
Crazy isn't it? In a nation with literally thousands of predominantly White neighborhoods, god forbid there are neighborhoods where Blacks congregate merely do their predominant numbers in certain cities. Folks make it seem like there's a reverse jim crow going on in cities like Atlanta.
People are sensitive in 2015. Ethnic groups will be attracted to similar ethnic groups based on familiarity alone. This isn't racism or prejudice just natural human order.
There are some areas where there is a diverse n significant number of well-off Hispanics, Miami, DC, Houston, LA, and NYC.
But for the most part it depends on specific ethnic group.
A well-off Puerto Rican or Dominican wouldn't feel that comfortable and "at home" in a predominantly middle class mexican community in San Diego, California. Just like a well-off Salvadoran or any other Central American type wouldn't feel "all that welcome" and at home in a predominantly middle class Puerto Rican community in Orlando, Florida.
Areas with high numbers of well-off ppl by specific group:
Mexican- every major southwest city
Puerto Rican- Orlando and to a lesser extent Philly & NY
Cuban- Miami
Salvadoran- DC &LA
Dominican- NY
Also as I said earlier, cities like Miami, DC, Houston, NYC, & LA are universal to all Hispanics. So in a city like Miami u may find scattered but significant numbers of midlle class Puerto Ricans Dominicans Mexicans Colombians and so forth, aside from the large number of middle class Cubans. While, in a city like Philadelphia where about 70-75% of Hispanics are Puerto Rican, almost all the well-off Hispanics are Rican too.
Not sure how the narrative that there is only one middle class Hispanic neighborhood in CA got created.
There are also large parts of Orange County that are majority Hispanic and solidly middle class. Same goes for the Gateway Region with Montebello, Whittier, etc.
Oxnard has several middle class areas that are heavily Hispanic. Same with my hometown of Santa Maria.
In the city of Los Angeles, areas like Eagle Rock and Mt. Washington are middle class and have a Hispanic majority/plurality.
But as a lot of people have said, Hispanics in California have most mingled into every neighborhood. Besides some really exclusive areas, you see Hispanics almost everywhere.
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