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Well maybe in your little world, but I'm speaking about generalities and the overall nation here. BTW, I was born in 1982, so that's irrelevant because there's still ethnic division with millennials and the tail-end of Gen-X.
And your last sentence may be somewhat true with black folks who aren't awake yet, but its a strawman argument that you've built to deflect from the fact that Latinos and other ethnic groups will stick together while a lot of Black Americans are still begging for acceptance from these other groups. It may not be what you want to hear, but we'll see how your Latino brothers and sisters vouch for you when the going gets tough and you get some wake up calls in your life on down the road.
Thank you. There's nothing wrong with forming friendships with people of other races, but I've never understood this need for so many black people who are always so eager to run up in person of another race's face as if everything is all good when a lot of them wouldn't return the favor. Or that Black-Latino relations work to a black person's advantage. Once a large Latino population reaches critical mass and gain political power, blacks are ignored and are at the bottom of the totem pole in terms of career opportunities and political power.
Anyway, back on topic, I'd say that Orange County, Phoenix, Portland, Miami-Dade County, Omaha, Memphis, Louisville, Cincinnati, Grand Rapids, and St. Louis. Arguably Los Angeles and OC, Phoenix, and Portland because there are hardly any black people in those areas and they have the passive-aggressive hipster racism to a T in those areas. The rest of the cities I named because there are large black populations, but there are either really strained race relations in general and/or the black middle class communities are smaller and the cultural amenities many of them enjoy are few and far between.
I see what you are saying, but Memphis and St. Louis seem odd, at least to me, in terms of being in that list. Even Cincinnati and Louisville, maybe even Grand Rapids to a degree, seem to be odd as well. With Grand Rapids, you could at least point to Kentwood as a example of an area with a sizeable Black middle class.
It may just be a matter of where to look with different areas.
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Really. Where I am from in Texas, me and my friends only got alone with very few Hispanics (really the ones who wanted to be black and felt as though they know the struggle when they dont). They thought we were so cool and until they started getting reckless with certain words. Now, I never had major issues with any, but you can sense the tension. The ones that came from different countries use to make fun if us being slaves, that alone tells alot there. Even now, I live in Houston and most Hispanics here have preconceived notions about us, not all but some. Trust me, its not all Kumbaya here as stated, well at least to me its not.
But the worst place for blacks would have to be the Rio Grande in Texas and areas like New Mexico, Colorado, Wyoming, the Dakotas, Idaho (though I herd good thing about Boise, but I doubt it). I've been to the Rio Grande (Del Rio) and that place is not fun for blacks at all. Omaha was pretty decent to, though I wouldn't live there, but it was decent.
There's a difference between having preconceived notions about a culture you're unfamiliar with and having a complete disregard for the people that your ancestor's enslaved.
Never in my life has a Hispanic ever made a hateful comment to me in regards to my race or culture. In fact, most of them seemed to feel that racism was just as pointless as I thought it was.
If there are any Mexicans who are anti-black, it could only be due to their lack of education on their own culture and the African heritage that runs through their own blood.
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Well maybe in your little world, but I'm speaking about generalities and the overall nation here. BTW, I was born in 1982, so that's irrelevant because there's still ethnic division with millennials and the tail-end of Gen-X.
And your last sentence may be somewhat true with black folks who aren't awake yet, but its a strawman argument that you've built to deflect from the fact that Latinos and other ethnic groups will stick together while a lot of Black Americans are still begging for acceptance from these other groups. It may not be what you want to hear, but we'll see how your Latino brothers and sisters vouch for you when the going gets tough and you get some wake up calls in your life on down the road.
Thank you. There's nothing wrong with forming friendships with people of other races, but I've never understood this need for so many black people who are always so eager to run up in person of another race's face as if everything is all good when a lot of them wouldn't return the favor. Or that Black-Latino relations work to a black person's advantage. Once a large Latino population reaches critical mass and gain political power, blacks are ignored and are at the bottom of the totem pole in terms of career opportunities and political power.
Anyway, back on topic, I'd say that Orange County, Phoenix, Portland, Miami-Dade County, Omaha, Memphis, Louisville, Cincinnati, Grand Rapids, and St. Louis. Arguably Los Angeles and OC, Phoenix, and Portland because there are hardly any black people in those areas and they have the passive-aggressive hipster racism to a T in those areas. The rest of the cities I named because there are large black populations, but there are either really strained race relations in general and/or the black middle class communities are smaller and the cultural amenities many of them enjoy are few and far between.
Again, I am going to have to reiterate that you speak for no one but yourself.
The going has gotten tough for me plenty of times throughout my life, and there were several times where the person there to help me out was not black. Go spew your divisive, ignorant BS at someone else. I'm not here for it.
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The worst cities for middle class black people are small-to-medium southern metropolitan cities with very large and very poor populations.
Take here in Macon, for an example. It sucks when your city is over 60% black and still the clubs, bars, and lounges that cater to a more "cultured" (jazz, r&b, neo-soul, conscious hip hop) black crowd never last long because they don't get much business, yet there are a ton of ghetto nightclubs all over the place.
We just made national headlines on all the major hip-hop sites over the last 2 days. There was a show scheduled for the gangsta rapper "Lil Boosie" (not my type of crowd) but he didn't show up. People trashed the establishment and caused all kinds of damage. A few people were even injured. AllHipHop » Lil Boosie Misses Concert Date…Mayhem Ensues
It sucks when that type of crowd makes up 80-85% of the blacks in your city.
There was a videographer/promoter from here, along with a guy I went to high school with, who tried desperately to bring "cultured" black nightlife to Macon a few years go, but it failed miserably. The videographer/promoter finally gave up and moved to Atlanta. When you set a dress code of no athletic gear, baggy jeans, sagging, no baseball caps, there's not enough people left. Sad.
Here's a vid from a couple years ago, and it took the typical turn for them. They tried to make it more cultured than everything else around here for blacks 25-40. Eventually, they eased up on the dress code after crowds got thin, then it quickly turned into a "ghetto" club and is now no longer open.
Are there any areas in GA besides Atlanta, with the options you are looking for?
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Are there any areas in GA besides Atlanta, with the options you are looking for?
Nope. Places like Macon, Augusta, Columbus are dominated mainly by the type of crowd that poster was speaking of. Savannah, while a nice city, is dominated by the White Southern upper class culture (the type that people seem to think Atlanta has for some odd reason, mint juleps and all) with a black lower class on the fringe.
While I do not want to disparage the rest of the State, outside the core of Metro Atlanta it might as well be Alabama or Mississippi with a minature version of New Orleans on the coast.
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Nope. Places like Macon, Augusta, Columbus are dominated mainly by the type of crowd that poster was speaking of. Savannah, while a nice city, is dominated by the White Southern upper class culture (the type that people seem to think Atlanta has for some odd reason, mint juleps and all) with a black lower class on the fringe.
While I do not want to disparage the rest of the State, outside the core of Metro Atlanta it might as well be Alabama or Mississippi with a minature version of New Orleans on the coast.
Augusta is definitely not mainly dominated by this type of crowd.. I don't know why some people from Atlanta love to generalize other cities in Georgia they don't know much about. Especially with ultra conservative Cobb, Forsyth, Cherokee, Fayette and plenty of black lower class in Fulton, Dekalb, and Clayton all being in metro Atlanta..
Comparing the cities in Georgia versus Mississippi is nowhere close to being valid. Augusta and it's suburbs are nowhere close to being as conservative or republican compared against metro Birmingham.
Augusta is definitely not mainly dominated by this type of crowd.. I don't know why some people from Atlanta love to generalize other cities in Georgia they don't know much about. Especially with ultra conservative Cobb, Forsyth, Cherokee, Fayette and plenty of black lower class in Fulton, Dekalb, and Clayton all being in metro Atlanta..
Comparing the cities in Georgia versus Mississippi is nowhere close to being valid. Augusta and it's suburbs are nowhere close to being as conservative or republican compared against metro Birmingham.
Augusta, as well as Columbus, are somewhat helped here by the presence of large military installations. But in terms of having an upwardly-mobile, Black college-educated professional class in particular, you really only start to see those in appreciable numbers in select Southern metros of 1 million and over for the most part.
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Augusta is definitely not mainly dominated by this type of crowd.. I don't know why some people from Atlanta love to generalize other cities in Georgia they don't know much about. Especially with ultra conservative Cobb, Forsyth, Cherokee, Fayette and plenty of black lower class in Fulton, Dekalb, and Clayton all being in metro Atlanta..
Comparing the cities in Georgia versus Mississippi is nowhere close to being valid. Augusta and it's suburbs are nowhere close to being as conservative or republican compared against metro Birmingham.
My grandfather is from the Augusta area and I still have a few cousins that live there, so I've been there a lot. Yeah, no. Sure there are plenty of middle class black folks in Augusta, but that's about it. In terms of what the poster was talking about and I was referring to (high class Black nightlife/social life/events etc) Augusta doesn't have any of that as far as I can tell. Having been all over the state, I can tell you that Augusta is no different than Macon or Columbus in those terms.
Nice little jab at Atlanta in the beginning, especially when I wasn't saying anything disparaging about Augusta. It is what it is.
Black people in Southern California, especially the closer they are to Los Angeles would gladly beg to differ.
Maybe in Texas, but not in other parts of the country. Also, most native Hispanics/Mexicans in Texas are very socially conservative and more assimilated with whites than Black people are. I don't understand why so many Black Americans think that Latinos are automatically going to side with them or are their allies politically or socially. They're going to look out for themselves and have their best interests at heart like most other races. As usual, so many Black Americans are looking to align with other people who wouldn't give us the time of day if the tables were turned.
In New England, Boston/Hartford/Providence even NYC the vibe is a lot different. There are a few Latinos that try to be white. But for the most part Blacks and Latinos are united together. I think it comes from the Latino population up North is from Puerto Rico/DR where there is a lot of black heritage.
Mexicans seem to just be on some other agenda. Hence, there is a large division amongst Latinos when it comes to Mexicans. South American Latinos and Caribbean Latinos seem to look down upon Mexicans.
In New England, Boston/Hartford/Providence even NYC the vibe is a lot different. There are a few Latinos that try to be white. But for the most part Blacks and Latinos are united together. I think it comes from the Latino population up North is from Puerto Rico/DR where there is a lot of black heritage.
Mexicans seem to just be on some other agenda. Hence, there is a large division amongst Latinos when it comes to Mexicans. South American Latinos and Caribbean Latinos seem to look down upon Mexicans.
I agree that the type of Hispanics/Latinos makes a difference in regard to the Northeast and even parts of the Midwest like NE Ohio, because they tend to be from the Caribbean or South America and have African heritage or identify as Black.
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