Which CSA is America's top education capital at all levels (K-12, Undergraduate, Graduate, so on)? (best, state) - City vs. City - City-Data Forum

Trafalgar Law · 08-28-2015, 05:00 PM

Which CSA is America's top education capital at all levels (K-12, Undergraduate, Graduate, so on)?

New York, Boston, Los Angeles, San Francisco Bay Area, Washington DC-Baltimore, Chicago, Philadelphia?

America's Top 1,000 High-Schools Concentrations by Metropolitan Area:
1. New York: 153
2. Los Angeles: 66
3. Chicago: 42
4. Washington DC-Baltimore: 39
5. Philadelphia: 32
6. San Francisco Bay Area: 19*
7. Boston: 15

* Could be much higher by CSA but the map only includes "metropolitan areas" (meaning MSAs) that have 10 or more. San Jose, in theory could have 9, but its not on the map because 9 is not 10.

Best Undergraduate Universities, 2015:
01. Princeton University (New York CSA)
02. Harvard University (Boston CSA)
03. Yale University (New York CSA)
04. Columbia University (New York CSA)
04. Stanford University (San Francisco Bay Area CSA)
04. University of Chicago (Chicago CSA)
07. Massachusetts Institute of Technology (Boston CSA)
08. Duke University
08. University of Pennsylvania (Philadelphia CSA)
10. California Institute of Technology (Los Angeles CSA)
11. Dartmouth College
12. Johns Hopkins University (Washington DC-Baltimore CSA)
13. Northwestern University (Chicago CSA)
14. Washington University in St. Louis
15. Cornell University
16. Brown University (Boston CSA)
16. University of Notre Dame
18. Vanderbilt University
19. Rice University
20. University of California--Berkeley (San Francisco Bay Area CSA)
21. Emory University
21. Georgetown University (Washington DC-Baltimore CSA)
23. University of California--Los Angeles (Los Angeles CSA)
23. University of Virginia
25. Carnegie Mellon University
25. University of Southern California (Los Angeles CSA)
27. Tufts University (Boston CSA)
27. Wake Forest University
29. University of Michigan--Ann Arbor
30. University of North Carolina--Chapel Hill
31. Boston College (Boston CSA)
32. New York University (New York CSA)
33. College of William and Mary
33. University of Rochester
35. Brandeis University (Boston CSA)
35. Georgia Institute of Technology
37. University of California--San Diego
38. Case Western Reserve University
38. University of California--Davis
40. Lehigh University (New York CSA)
40. University of California--Santa Barbara
42. Boston University (Boston CSA)
42. Northeastern University (Boston CSA)
42. Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute
42. University of California--Irvine (Los Angeles CSA)
42. University of Illinois--Urbana-Champaign
47. University of Wisconsin--Madison
48. Pennsylvania State University--University Park
48. University of Florida
48. University of Miami
48. University of Washington
48. Yeshiva University (New York CSA)
53. University of Texas--Austin
54. George Washington University (Washington DC-Baltimore CSA)
54. Ohio State University--Columbus
54. Pepperdine University (Los Angles CSA)
54. Tulane University
58. Fordham University (New York CSA)
58. Southern Methodist University
58. Syracuse University
58. University of Connecticut
62. Brigham Young University--Provo
62. Clemson University
62. Purdue University--West Lafayette
62. University of Georgia
62. University of Maryland--College Park (Washington DC-Baltimore CSA)
62. University of Pittsburgh
68. Texas A&M University--College Station
68. Worcester Polytechnic Institute (Boston CSA)
70. Rutgers, The State University of New Jersey--New Brunswick (New York CSA)
71. American University (Washington DC-Baltimore CSA)
71. Baylor University
71. University of Iowa
71. University of Minnesota--Twin Cities
71. Virginia Tech
76. Clark University (Boston CSA)
76. Indiana University--Bloomington
76. Marquette University
76. Miami University--Oxford
76. Stevens Institute of Technology (New York CSA)
76. SUNY College of Environmental Science and Forestry
76. Texas Christian University
76. University of Delaware (Philadelphia CSA)
76. University of Massachusetts--Amherst
85. Michigan State University
85. University of California--Santa Cruz (San Francisco Bay Area CSA)
85. University of Vermont
88. Binghamton University--SUNY
88. Colorado School of Mines
88. Stony Brook University--SUNY (New York CSA)
88. University of Alabama
88. University of Colorado--Boulder
88. University of Denver
88. University of Tulsa
95. Drexel University (Philadelphia CSA)
95. Florida State University
95. North Carolina State University--Raleigh
95. University of San Diego
99. Saint Louis University
99. University of Missouri
99. University of Nebraska--Lincoln
99. University of New Hampshire (Boston CSA)

1. Boston: 11
2. New York: 10
3. Washington DC-Baltimore: 5
3. Los Angeles: 5
5. San Francisco Bay Area: 3
5. Philadelphia: 3
7. Chicago: 2

Top 25 Business Schools:
01. Stanford University (San Francisco Bay Area CSA)
02. Harvard University (Boston CSA)
03. University of Pennsylvania (Philadelphia CSA)
04. University of Chicago (Chicago CSA)
05. Massachusetts Institute of Technology (Boston CSA)
06. Northwestern University (Chicago CSA)
07. University of California—Berkeley (San Francisco Bay Area CSA)
08. Columbia University (New York CSA)
09. Dartmouth College
10. University of Virginia
11. New York University (New York CSA)
11. University of Michigan—Ann Arbor
13. Duke University
13. Yale University (New York CSA)
15. University of California—Los Angeles (Los Angeles CSA)
16. Cornell University
17. University of Texas—Austin
18. University of North Carolina—Chapel Hill
19. Washington University in St. Louis
20. Carnegie Mellon University
21. Emory University
21. Indiana University—Bloomington
23. University of Washington
24. Georgetown University (Washington DC-Baltimore CSA)
25. University of Notre Dame
25. University of Southern California (Los Angeles CSA)

1. New York: 3
2. Chicago: 2
2. San Francisco Bay Area: 2
2. Los Angeles: 2
2. Boston: 2
6. Washington DC-Baltimore: 1
6. Philadelphia: 1

Top 25 Engineering Schools:
01. Massachusetts Institute of Technology (Boston CSA)
02. Stanford University (San Francisco Bay Area CSA)
03. University of California—Berkeley (San Francisco Bay Area CSA)
04. Carnegie Mellon University
05. California Institute of Technology (Los Angeles CSA)
06. Georgia Institute of Technology
06. Purdue University—West Lafayette
06. University of Illinois—Urbana-Champaign
06. University of Michigan—Ann Arbor
10. University of Southern California (Los Angeles CSA)
10. University of Texas—Austin
12. Texas A&M University—College Station
13. Cornell University
14. Columbia University (New York CSA)
14. University of California—Los Angeles (Los Angeles CSA)
14. University of Wisconsin—Madison
17. University of California—San Diego
18. Princeton University (New York CSA)
19. University of Pennsylvania (Philadelphia CSA)
20. Harvard University (Boston CSA)
21. Northwestern University (Chicago CSA)
21. Virginia Tech
23. University of California—Santa Barbara
23. University of Maryland—College Park (Washington DC-Baltimore CSA)
25. Johns Hopkins University (Washington DC-Baltimore CSA)
25. Pennsylvania State University—University Park

1. Los Angeles: 3
2. San Francisco Bay Area: 2
2. Boston: 2
2. Washington DC-Baltimore: 2
2. New York: 2
6. Chicago: 1
6. Philadelphia: 1

Top 25 Medical Schools for Research:
01. Harvard University (Boston CSA)
02. Stanford University (San Francisco Bay Area CSA)
03. Johns Hopkins University (Washington DC-Baltimore CSA)
03. University of California—San Francisco (San Francisco Bay Area CSA)
05. University of Pennsylvania (Philadelphia CSA)
06. Washington University in St. Louis
07. Yale University (New York CSA)
08. Columbia University (New York CSA)
08. Duke University
10. University of Chicago (Chicago CSA)
10. University of Michigan—Ann Arbor
10. University of Washington
13. University of California—Los Angeles (Los Angeles CSA)
14. New York University (New York CSA)
14. Vanderbilt University
16. University of Pittsburgh
17. University of California—San Diego
18. Cornell University
19. Northwestern University (Chicago CSA)
20. Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai (New York CSA)
21. Baylor College of Medicine
22. University of North Carolina—Chapel Hill
23. Emory University
24. Case Western Reserve University
25. University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center

1. New York: 4
2. Chicago: 2
2. San Francisco Bay Area: 2
4. Washington DC-Baltimore: 1
4. Los Angeles: 1
4. Boston: 1
4. Philadelphia: 1

Top 25 Medical Schools for Primary Care:
01. University of Washington
02. University of North Carolina—Chapel Hill
03. University of California—San Francisco (San Francisco Bay Area CSA)
04. University of Nebraska Medical Center
05. Oregon Health and Science University
05. University of Michigan—Ann Arbor
07. University of California—Los Angeles (Los Angeles CSA)
08. University of Colorado
09. University of Wisconsin—Madison
10. University of Minnesota
11. Baylor College of Medicine
12. Harvard University (Boston CSA)
12. Michigan State University
12. University of Massachusetts—Worcester (Boston CSA)
12. University of Pennsylvania (Philadelphia CSA)
16. University of Iowa
17. University of Alabama—Birmingham
17. University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center
19. University of California—Davis
19. University of California—San Diego
19. University of Chicago (Chicago CSA)
19. University of Hawaii—Manoa
19. University of Pittsburgh
19. Washington University in St. Louis
25. East Carolina University
25. Stanford University (San Francisco Bay Area CSA)
25. University of Kansas Medical Center
25. Vanderbilt University

1. San Francisco Bay Area: 2
1. Boston: 2
3. Los Angeles: 1
3. Chicago: 1
3. Philadelphia: 1
6. Washington DC-Baltimore: 0
6. New York: 0

Top 25 Law Schools:
01. Yale University (New York CSA)
02. Harvard University (Boston CSA)
02. Stanford University (San Francisco Bay Area CSA)
04. Columbia University (New York CSA)
04. University of Chicago (Chicago CSA)
06. New York University (New York CSA)
07. University of Pennsylvania (Philadelphia CSA)
08. Duke University
08. University of California—Berkeley (San Francisco Bay Area)
08. University of Virginia
11. University of Michigan—Ann Arbor
12. Northwestern University (Chicago CSA)
13. Cornell University
14. Georgetown University (Washington DC-Baltimore CSA)
15. University of Texas—Austin
16. University of California—Los Angeles (Los Angeles CSA)
17. Vanderbilt University
18. Washington University in St. Louis
19. Emory University
20. University of Minnesota—Twin Cities
20. University of Southern California (Los Angeles CSA)
22. George Washington University (Washington DC-Baltimore CSA)
22. University of Alabama
22. University of Iowa
22. University of Notre Dame

1. New York: 3
2. Chicago: 2
2. Washington DC-Baltimore: 2
2. Los Angeles: 2
2. San Francisco Bay Area: 2
6. Boston: 1
6. Philadelphia: 1

You are free to include comprehensive and logical rankings of elementary level schools, middle level schools, or graduate school program rankings for other disciplines (nursing, education, fine arts, so on and so forth). You are also free to include other ranking agencies apart from USNews (that was used in this thread) as well.

Make an argument for which CSA should be viewed as the premier educational capital of the United States when education from ALL LEVELS are accounted for. Please make an argument for or against cities on the list accordingly.

NowInWI · 08-28-2015, 05:10 PM

CSAs? If your first comparison is MSAs, I would think you would continue with that in your thread. Are you just including CSAs, so certain cities can capture rankings that aren't in their MSAs???

18Montclair · 08-28-2015, 05:46 PM

In their global ranking, US News combines undergrad and grad school scores and comes up with the following:

US News Global University Ranking, 2015
1 Harvard University
2 Massachusetts Institute of Technology
3 University of California, Berkeley
4 Stanford University
5 Oxford University
6 University of Cambridge
7 California Institute of Technology
8 University of California, Los Angeles
9 University of Chicago
10 Columbia University
11 Johns Hopkins University
12 Imperial College London
13 Princeton University
14-tie University of Michigan
14-tie University of Toronto
14-University of Washington
17 Yale University
18 University of California, San Diego
19 University of Pennsylvania
20 Duke University
21 University College London
22 University of California, San Francisco
23 Cornell University
24 University of Tokyo
25 Northwestern University
26 Swiss Federal Institute of Technology
27 University of Wisconsin, Madison
28 University of California, Santa Barbara
29 University of Minnesota, Twin Cities
30-tie University of British Columbia
30-tie University of Texas, Austin
32-tie University of Melbourne
32-tie University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill
34 Ohio State University
35 University of Illinois-Urbana Champaign
36 New York University
37-tie Boston University
37-tie University of California, Davis
39 Peking University
40 University of Edinburgh
41 Washington University in St Louis
42-tie University of Hong Kong
42-tie University of Pittsburgh
44 McGill University
45 University of Sydney
46 Pierre and Marie Curie University-Paris 6
47 University of Queensland Australia
48 University of Munich
49 University of Manchester
50 University of Southern California

Top World University Rankings | US News Best Global Universities

Maintainschaos · 08-28-2015, 05:50 PM

Boston, in my opinion. I don't put any weight on top high schools.

jennifat · 08-28-2015, 06:00 PM

Boston, without a doubt.

Trafalgar Law · 08-28-2015, 06:01 PM

If you aren't taking high schools seriously then I suggest you make your own thread that excludes it and other K-12 from the criteria, because they are apart of the discussion of this thread.

Trafalgar Law · 08-28-2015, 06:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 18Montclair

In their global ranking, US News combines undergrad and grad school scores and comes up with the following:

US News Global University Ranking, 2015
1 Harvard University (Boston CSA)
2 Massachusetts Institute of Technology (Boston CSA)
3 University of California, Berkeley (San Francisco Bay Area CSA)
4 Stanford University (San Francisco Bay Area CSA)
5 Oxford University
6 University of Cambridge
7 California Institute of Technology (Los Angeles CSA)
8 University of California, Los Angeles (Los Angeles CSA)
9 University of Chicago (Chicago CSA)
10 Columbia University (New York CSA)
11 Johns Hopkins University (Washington DC-Baltimore CSA)
12 Imperial College London
13 Princeton University (New York CSA)
14-tie University of Michigan
14-tie University of Toronto
14-University of Washington
17 Yale University (New York CSA)
18 University of California, San Diego
19 University of Pennsylvania (Philadelphia CSA)
20 Duke University
21 University College London
22 University of California, San Francisco (San Francisco Bay Area CSA)
23 Cornell University
24 University of Tokyo
25 Northwestern University (Chicago CSA)
26 Swiss Federal Institute of Technology
27 University of Wisconsin, Madison
28 University of California, Santa Barbara
29 University of Minnesota, Twin Cities
30-tie University of British Columbia
30-tie University of Texas, Austin
32-tie University of Melbourne
32-tie University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill
34 Ohio State University
35 University of Illinois-Urbana Champaign
36 New York University (New York CSA)
37-tie Boston University (Boston CSA)
37-tie University of California, Davis
39 Peking University
40 University of Edinburgh
41 Washington University in St Louis
42-tie University of Hong Kong
42-tie University of Pittsburgh
44 McGill University
45 University of Sydney
46 Pierre and Marie Curie University-Paris 6
47 University of Queensland Australia
48 University of Munich
49 University of Manchester
50 University of Southern California (Los Angeles CSA)

Top World University Rankings | US News Best Global Universities

Thanks for this. In the world's top 50.

1. New York: 4
2. San Francisco Bay Area: 3
2. Los Angeles: 3
2. Boston: 3
5. Chicago: 2
6. Washington DC-Baltimore: 1
6. Philadelphia: 1

Mr Ambitious · 08-28-2015, 06:16 PM

Boston is normally the right answer, but looking at k-12 and expanding to CSA where Princeton is included, NYC is making a strong case. I haven't voted yet this really has me thinking.

18Montclair · 08-28-2015, 06:18 PM

I see the K-12 list but within California, we have API(Academic Performance Index)scores for every public school in the State of California, based on a standardized test. A school score of 900+ is considered the very highest tier and is considered most prestigious.

The Bay Area has the most 900+ schools, and just skimming through the list, we probably have the majority of 900+ schools in the state.

What I found most interesting is that nearly all of LA's 900+ high schools are specialized magnet/ gifted schools while nearly all of the Bay Area's 900+ high schools are regular enrollment.

edwardsyzzurphands · 08-28-2015, 06:19 PM

I will go with Boston on this one. I believe the university system speaks for itself. But what may set it over the top is how Massachusetts is consistently ranked as the best state public school system in the country and even one of the best in the world.

https://nces.ed.gov/TIMSS/results11.asp

Program for International Student Assessment (PISA): 2012 Results - State Results: Massachusetts

Massachusetts students rank first in the nation for the fifth consecutive time

Most of those elite public school districts are located in the boston MSA. I think the focus on education from infancy through adulthood really is one of major importance in the Boston area.