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Ahh sorry. But how is Memphis more similar? I'd like to know. Their culture doesn't seem anything like New Orleans or Mobile. Far more Mississippi and Arkansas vibes.
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Originally Posted by Grizzly Addams
Fine New Orleans is a Mississippi River city... I'm sorry I hurt your feelings.
It was just pointless to say that. Baton Rouge is right up river and I lived in New Orleans. My knowledge of nola is more tha enough to know it's a Mississippi river city as much as gulf coast.
Ahh sorry. But how is Memphis more similar? I'd like to know. Their culture doesn't seem anything like New Orleans or Mobile. Far more Mississippi and Arkansas vibes.
It was just pointless to say that. Baton Rouge is right up river and I lived in New Orleans. My knowledge of nola is more tha enough to know it's a Mississippi river city as much as gulf coast.
The Industry is similar, Memphis, St Louis, New Orleans, Louisville were all major ports. Many more Catholics than the rest of the South.
Music really travelled up the Mississippi with the Riverboats. Also St Louis and Louisville share a historical black Population that the non river counties in their region do not have. (and the Twin Cities don't have either).
Also the pageantry of the old South "aristocracy" seems like it only lives on in those River Cities.
The Industry is similar, Memphis, St Louis, New Orleans, Louisville were all major ports. Many more Catholics than the rest of the South.
Music really travelled up the Mississippi with the Riverboats. Also St Louis and Louisville share a historical black Population that the non river counties in their region do not have. (and the Twin Cities don't have either).
Also the pageantry of the old South "aristocracy" seems like it only lives on in those River Cities.
So was Mobile, and Mobile has more Catholics too. Well Mobiles black population is just as high as Memphis' there's plenty of aristocracy in other southern cities, just that the river wasn't the reason for their fortune. Mississippi is full of it, away and near the river.
So was Mobile, and Mobile has more Catholics too. Well Mobiles black population is just as high as Memphis' there's plenty of aristocracy in other southern cities, just that the river wasn't the reason for their fortune. Mississippi is full of it, away and near the river.
Mobile isn't exactly representative of the Gulf coast though, New Orleans is more like St Louis than Tampa or Corpus Christi or even Pensacola. Also that area of MS you're referring to is called the delta for a reason.
Go beyond NOLAs direct sphere of influence and the Gulf is very different
Mobile isn't exactly representative of the Gulf coast though, New Orleans is more like St Louis than Tampa or Corpus Christi or even Pensacola. Also that area of MS you're referring to is called the delta for a reason.
Go beyond NOLAs direct sphere of influence and the Gulf is very different
How's it not?
Well sure, I can see how New Orleans is historically more similar to St Louis than a relatively brand new city, however that doesn't make Memphis more similar to New Orleans than Mobile. Again, what makes Memphis more similar to New Orleans. Black population, aristocracy, and catholic are all moot.
There is evidence of that outside the delta as well.
New Orleans gulf coast culture (Houston/Lake Jackson to Pensacola) is quentissential gulf coast. It's oil, fishing and shrimping boats, Mardi Gras, etc. The only other significant population center is Tampa, and I'm not seeing Tampa as a center for culture or anything specially dealing with the gulf coast. There's also no real other population centers around Tampa, on the coast for Tampa to influence.
Well sure, I can see how New Orleans is historically more similar to St Louis than a relatively brand new city, however that doesn't make Memphis more similar to New Orleans than Mobile. Again, what makes Memphis more similar to New Orleans. Black population, aristocracy, and catholic are all moot.
There is evidence of that outside the delta as well.
New Orleans gulf coast culture (Houston/Lake Jackson to Pensacola) is quentissential gulf coast. It's oil, fishing and shrimping boats, Mardi Gras, etc. The only other significant population center is Tampa, and I'm not seeing Tampa as a center for culture or anything specially dealing with the gulf coast. There's also no real other population centers around Tampa, on the coast for Tampa to influence.
Houston is not known for its Music, St Louis, Memphis and New Orleans are. Their Foods heavily influence each other, Houston is not known as a center of African American Culture, Memphis, St Louis, New Orleans are.
Mobile is a stupid comparison, its like Albany vs NYC or Portland vs Boston. You can't say Boston dominates East Coast Culture because look at Nantucket's similarities. Portland is in Boston's Orbit.
That's the same argument with Mobile vs New Orleans. Corpus Christi, Tampa, Naples, Pensacola, Houston, Brownsville etc. are very different from New Orleans, yes, Mobile, and Morgan City is very similar to New Orleans because New Orleans is their cultural center or Gravity.
Post Katrina Houston might have a bit stronger of a NOLA connection than the past but its still less than Memphis.
Houston is not known for its Music, St Louis, Memphis and New Orleans are. Their Foods heavily influence each other, Houston is not known as a center of African American Culture, Memphis, St Louis, New Orleans are.
Mobile is a stupid comparison, its like Albany vs NYC or Portland vs Boston. You can't say Boston dominates East Coast Culture because look at Nantucket's similarities. Portland is in Boston's Orbit.
That's the same argument with Mobile vs New Orleans. Corpus Christi, Tampa, Naples, Pensacola, Houston, Brownsville etc. are very different from New Orleans, yes, Mobile, and Morgan City is very similar to New Orleans because New Orleans is their cultural center or Gravity.
Post Katrina Houston might have a bit stronger of a NOLA connection than the past but its still less than Memphis.
Houston has a popular genre of hip hop called screw but I get what you mean. What music in St. Louis? Also didn't know it was a center of black culture. Houston is though, now at least. I lived there and I'm black.
That Boston comment doesn't equate to my argument. Just because Mobile lies within the influence of New Orleans doesn't diminish it's similarities. How silly would "Boston isn't that similar to Cambridge because its next door, it's much more like Honolulu" be?
The Industry is similar, Memphis, St Louis, New Orleans, Louisville were all major ports. Many more Catholics than the rest of the South.
Music really travelled up the Mississippi with the Riverboats. Also St Louis and Louisville share a historical black Population that the non river counties in their region do not have. (and the Twin Cities don't have either).
Also the pageantry of the old South "aristocracy" seems like it only lives on in those River Cities.
Yes, Louisville is a port, but not on the Mississippi. Shall we expand our discussion to Evansville, Cincinnati and Pittsburgh?
The Twin Cities need the crutch of 27 locks and dams to even be considered as a player on the Mississippi River. New Orleans can be the Queen of the Mississippi -- maybe it's the Dowager Queen. St. Louis is the King -- literally (Louis IX) and figuratively; called the Lion of the Valley. The arrival of the huge flow coming from the Missouri River at St. Louis is what makes the Mississippi River what most people imagine it to be...broad and free-flowing Memphis is largely the child of St. Louis and New Orleans -- a Princess, perhaps.
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